weatherwiz Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 except every body gets text alerts on their phones that say severe Tstorm warning, really nbd was just wondering It is a great topic of discussion and perhaps something that can certainly be looked into. I also thought there was a product for these cases called Severe storm warning (or something like that) was differentiated from using the term t'storm...I think it's been used in the winter before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 The problem mostly stems from the fact that people still think we issue SVRs based on lightning. When in reality we only care about lightning in the cases where it is prolific. My favorite part of going to skywarn spotter classes is the people answering yes when asked if a t'storm is producing 100000 strikes per minutes, is it severe and they say yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Wouldn't a severe Tstorm imply Thunder lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanStWx Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Wouldn't a severe Tstorm imply Thunder lol The problem is, what do we call it so that the general public understands? A severe convective shower? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 The problem is, what do we call it so that the general public understands? A severe convective shower? The public gets confused no matter what lol. I mean people still can comprehend the difference between a watch and a warning. I mean this boggles me...shouldn't common sense tell you a warning is a more dire situation than a watch? I just don't understand it. Having a different warning term here may just confuse people any more. They may end up thinking, there won't be any lightning, I'm fine...then they go and get crushed by a fallen tree. When it comes to storms, I seriously think people are more afraid of lightning than they are from like the possibility of fallen trees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey2002 Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 The public gets confused no matter what lol. Sadly true, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfastx Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Well the "line" has moved through.. totally disintegrated. Not a drop here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nittany88 Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Well obviously there is a difference between trees down ahead of the line and trees down with it. There was even disagreement among offices as to how to handle this watch today. You'll be able to tell from looking at the LSRs what the philosophy of the day was. On days like today you're gonna get disagreement WITHIN the same offices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 The problem is, what do we call it so that the general public understands? A severe convective shower?Drop thunder, severe storm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It's Always Sunny Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 MQE peak wind of 43 kts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 MQE peak wind of 43 kts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowman21 Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 The problem is, what do we call it so that the general public understands? A severe convective shower? Did anywhere reach severe thunderstorm criteria in SNE? Maybe a wind advisory would have sufficed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanStWx Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Did anywhere reach severe thunderstorm criteria in SNE? Maybe a wind advisory would have sufficed. Lots of tree damage from central Mass. Some was before the line, but a lot right along it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Did anywhere reach severe thunderstorm criteria in SNE? Maybe a wind advisory would have sufficed. I know in the definition for a warning, it states wind gusts of 50 knots (58 mpg or greater) but that technically isn't the make or break when defining whether or not a storm was "severe". That is the wind speed used b/c typically, it takes winds of those magnitudes to take down fully leaved healthy trees...that is why those speeds are used. However, tree condition (as we all know) along with other factors can certainly influence a trees susceptibility to damage and therefore must be accounted for. IMO, I believe that the NWS uses damage moreso than measured winds to verify...also b/c it's much more difficult for them to gather wind data b/c it's just so sparse. this is also why the NWS has criteria within damage to verify. For example, if there is a downed limb...it can only verify as severe if it is greater than or equal to 4'' in diameter and as of the last couple of years, for wires down, I believe they actually have to be the main high tension wires...just phone or cable lines don't count for verification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nittany88 Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Did anywhere reach severe thunderstorm criteria in SNE? Maybe a wind advisory would have sufficed. I know in the definition for a warning, it states wind gusts of 50 knots (58 mpg or greater) but that technically isn't the make or break when defining whether or not a storm was "severe". That is the wind speed used b/c typically, it takes winds of those magnitudes to take down fully leaved healthy trees...that is why those speeds are used. However, tree condition (as we all know) along with other factors can certainly influence a trees susceptibility to damage and therefore must be accounted for. IMO, I believe that the NWS uses damage moreso than measured winds to verify...also b/c it's much more difficult for them to gather wind data b/c it's just so sparse. this is also why the NWS has criteria within damage to verify. For example, if there is a downed limb...it can only verify as severe if it is greater than or equal to 4'' in diameter and as of the last couple of years, for wires down, I believe they actually have to be the main high tension wires...just phone or cable lines don't count for verification. Yeah there's been many times when 35 mph brings down weak trees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Yeah there's been many times when 35 mph brings down weak trees. I know we joke alot about dead limbs and trees coming down with little effort from the winds but all kidding aside that actually makes things more dangerous when it comes to public safety considering we have a ton of trees. Being in a region where trees are susceptible, it poses a major safety risk. Like every other event you hear of a car getting crushed with a fallen limb or tree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Decent power outages around here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baroclinic Zone Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Man that this disintegrated. Showered for about a minute and where are the winds? Was better around 3-4pm. Sent from my DROID RAZR using Tapatalk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 0.60" of rain here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radarman Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 At UMass the peak gust associated with convection was 21mph, 39 two hours previous however. Really impressive and I do believe there was some wind advy in effect. I am surprised to see some reports in the area though, other than heavy rain and minor street flooding in the low spots it wasn't that breezy in the line. I wonder if some of the reports may have been from prior damage earlier in the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanStWx Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 At UMass the peak gust associated with convection was 21mph, 39 two hours previous however. Really impressive and I do believe there was some wind advy in effect. I am surprised to see some reports in the area though, other than heavy rain and minor street flooding in the low spots it wasn't that breezy in the line. I wonder if some of the reports may have been from prior damage earlier in the day. We were concerned about that, so we were asking for specific times of damage. Ours were all associated with the line, though BOX had a bunch ahead of the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 The problem mostly stems from the fact that people still think we issue SVRs based on lightning. When in reality we only care about lightning in the cases where it is prolific. Yeah ...and I'm pretty sure if the lightning is that threatening, it is mentioned in the warning coverage/statement. 'IN ADDITION THIS THUNDERSTORM IS PRODUCING FREQUENT VIVID LIGHTNING...' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baroclinic Zone Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 That was one of the lamest frontal passages. Peak gust was 30mph at 2:40pm, well ahead of the front. 0.17" of rain and 0.15" of that fell before 11am. Think the front finally cleared thru about 11pm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It's Always Sunny Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 You seem surprised... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian5671 Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 9 pages of discussion for a shower and a wind gust to 30..lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 9 pages by people who don't have reading comprehension. This was western CT western ma and NNE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Rain Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 9 pages by people who don't have reading comprehension. This was western CT western ma and NNE. Pretty much AWT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baroclinic Zone Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 You seem surprised... Usually I get some solid gusts and some rain with the front. I got neither. I was not expecting any severe weather but something more than I got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 9 pages by people who don't have reading comprehension. This was western CT western ma and NNE. It is literally the first weather thing to happen in two weeks. We had pages of posts for a snowstorm in South Dakota...South Dakota! It has been that slow. At least yesterday we had a reason to check in on radars and model data. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 0.74" here gust to 41mph with the FROPA, A lot of heavy leaf and pine needle damage up here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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