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Euro and Canadian have similar numbers.  Euro and Canadian have had it all along, NAM finally came aboard last night at 0z

 

For SW CT sure, that spot looks to receive the most imo but once you move N & W of there #'s will drop off rapidly.  Don't know about the 3"+ #'s either in SW CT, still think most of that stays S and offshore.  1-2" for Fairfield Cnty, my call.

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If you believe the 06Z GFS for 10/25-10/26, it's going to be winter over the East. I just am amazed that the natural gas marked rocketed bc of this crap. EDIT: I think the pattern favors cold over the East...but I'd be shocked if it were this extreme.

 

 

 

Euro ensembles were pretty impressive with the pattern for late this month with a big -EPO/+PNA oriented ridge (usually the most favorable type for cold). But yeah, its hard to predict most of the east being under 0C at 850 this far. It could easily be just a typical cool shot...esp since we are still early enough that the shorter wavelengths can do some weird stuff to muck up a pattern.

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Euro ensembles were pretty impressive with the pattern for late this month with a big -EPO/+PNA oriented ridge (usually the most favorable type for cold). But yeah, its hard to predict most of the east being under 0C at 850 this far. It could easily be just a typical cool shot...esp since we are still early enough that the shorter wavelengths can do some weird stuff to muck up a pattern.

How long do you see this pattern lasting? Does November look cold in the East based on what you're seeing?

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If you believe the 06Z GFS for 10/25-10/26, it's going to be winter over the East. I just am amazed that the natural gas marked rocketed bc of this crap. EDIT: I think the pattern favors cold over the East...but I'd be shocked if it were this extreme.

 

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Hey  the NG guys will jump on anything, myself I am locking this in, buying snow shovel futures as we speak.

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2003-04 was really the last brutally cold winter, I definitely agree. I was a sophomore in high school at the time, and was living in Dobbs Ferry...we had three major clippers in that brutally cold January and one dropped nearly 8". I remember several nights approaching 0F in the suburbs with Central Park hovering in the upper single digits. December and January were absolutely epic, winter took a break in February, and then March came roaring back with two storms around the equinox, each of which dropped 6-7" in Dobbs Ferry. We finished around 55" for the winter, which was slightly less than 02-03 though the cold was more memorable. However, people often forget that January 2003 had a stiff arctic outbreak; it's dwarfed by memories of the XMAS surprise which dropped a foot at my place and then of course PDII, but that was a time when we were huddled outside the high school awaiting rides from parents because it was simply too cold to walk the mile home...

 

Can someone post the dailies for Central Park from January 2003 and January 2004 to compare?

 

There have been cold spells since then, of course, but nothing approaching the extreme level of Jan 2004. I think January 2005 does stand out for me as it froze the Hudson River almost completely in Westchester, which is rare. The problem with 2005 is that the cold wasn't sustained like in 02-03 or 03-04, as other parts of the winter torched. December 2004 stands out as a very bland month, but the January outbreak did produce this scene of the Hudson with the sun setting...ah, deep winter:

 

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Boston Common had 6" on May 10, 1977 so they've actually seen more than what you mentioned in May. 

 

02-03 was a more impressive winter over all front to back, with Jan 03 being arctic cold, feb still being that way with the big snows obviously too. Jan 04 is without question the coldest month/stretch of weather in the Northeast for the 2000s though. I think Feb 07 is second on that list, followed by Jan 03/09/05, and then maybe Dec 2000 and Jan 2010?

 

I think we had about 1.5-2" from that and the snow was falling at like 2F. I think there were a few jackpots down in NJ that were around 9-10" with not even 0.3" of qpf.

 

Yeah that was memorable down here where I had 7 or 8" in the low-mid teens the night of the 14th to morning 15th... followed by a windy night that reach 0-1F for a low

 

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