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Could never live out there...but I am sure jealous of some of their weather extremes! Isn't that where the record was set for the most rapid rise in temperature ever recorded? Went from some ungodly cold temp of like -20F to +50F in the span of 10-15 minutes. Something I remember geeking out over when perusing the weather/climate section of the Guiness Book of World Records.

 

Not sure this is the event I remember from the Guiness Book...but still, -4F to 45F in 2 minutes aided by the Chinooks. Then an hour or so later the temp fell from 58F back to -4F over the span of about a half hour when the wind died down. http://www.blackhillsweather.com/chinook.html

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Any reasonable ideas as to when we get the pattern back to normal or even a bit below? Is there a general date or timeframe we can look to other than mid month? is it the 15th or the 18th ?

A general time frame is more accurate at this point. Weeklies and ensembles are hinting at a more seasonable-type pattern by then.

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Could never live out there...but I am sure jealous of some of their weather extremes! Isn't that where the record was set for the most rapid rise in temperature ever recorded? Went from some ungodly cold temp of like -20F to +50F in the span of 10-15 minutes. Something I remember geeking out over when perusing the weather/climate section of the Guiness Book of World Records.

KRAP is actually a pretty cool city. Lots of bars/restaurants. I was really surprised when I was out there. Some of the towns in the black hills are pretty cool too.

I wouldn't live there either but it wouldn't be the end of the world living there either lol

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KRAP is actually a pretty cool city. Lots of bars/restaurants. I was really surprised when I was out there. Some of the towns in the black hills are pretty cool too.

I wouldn't live there either but it wouldn't be the end of the world living there either lol

one of our Chefs was born there, we talked extensively about the weather after I showed him the storm. He said the same thing you said. Also said the blizzards mid west style are insane.
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JB is wondering why there was no watch for sandy but there is for this storm would it because there is not a 72 lead time for a watch his graph starts at 5am friday and would expect landfall untill tuesday am!  :lmao:

 

maybe for eastern north carolina but there on the very left edge of the cone!

 

Absolutely stunning. Explain how Karen gets a watch but Sandy did not, comparing forecasts pic.twitter.com/cVqV9Gk1At

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This has got to be historic ...  if you know how to read these numbers, that's over 5" liq equiv in a pure snow column for Rapid City SD.  

 

RAP//707051 -3207 130614 54090103 

06004918755 03905 150316 54070100 

12025999248 12207 160225 52050000 

18090989050 14110 173531 50029999 

24067979739 21411 183541 48009700 

30108989342 15514 193346 43999593

36137989136 07211 193351 41999693

42120978841 00811 203253 40999794 

48034728528 -9910 243346 43009696 

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JB is wondering why there was no watch for sandy but there is for this storm would it because there is not a 72 lead time for a watch his graph starts at 5am friday and would expect landfall untill tuesday am!  :lmao:

 

maybe for eastern north carolina but there on the very left edge of the cone!

 

Absolutely stunning. Explain how Karen gets a watch but Sandy did not, comparing forecasts pic.twitter.com/cVqV9Gk1At

 

 

I don't know if this is sensationalism or stupidity there.  

 

Two utterly disparate scenarios -- can't be compared.  

 

The contention of Sandy was that it was supposed to be converting to an extratropical low prior to land fall.  It did not.  That was admitted. Case closed.

 

This is a pure tropical entity, and will be at landfall.  No question to ask.  

 

Nauseating reading that crap --

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This has got to be historic ... if you know how to read these numbers, that's over 5" liq equiv in a pure snow column for Rapid City SD.

RAP//707051 -3207 130614 54090103

06004918755 03905 150316 54070100

12025999248 12207 160225 52050000

18090989050 14110 173531 50029999

24067979739 21411 183541 48009700

30108989342 15514 193346 43999593

36137989136 07211 193351 41999693

42120978841 00811 203253 40999794

48034728528 -9910 243346 43009696

Tip, visual representation, check out the snow outputhttp://www.meteor.iastate.edu/~ckarsten/bufkit/image_loader.phtml?site=krap
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Not expecting snow until morning, BH 3 new output is 62 inches, KRap 51 with insane winds, temps drop to the lower 20s, snow ratios start out 3-1 end up 17-1, my kind of storm. Man

Ahh my bad...I read one of the warnings that said changeover this evening but that must be the higher elevations.

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This changeover was impressive... Casper, Wyoming went from 40/39 and moderate rain, to 32/32 and snow in 30 minutes.  That's a pretty quick drop.  They are already over 1" QPF so far there, and are currently snowing at 0.1-0.2" liquid per hour.  That's pretty solid rates now that its 31/29 and moderate snow...sub-freezing and precipitating 0.15"/hr
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KCPR 040253Z AUTO 01011KT 1/2SM SN FG VV004 00/00 A2999 RMK AO2 SLP159 P0015 60048 T00000000 51034 $
KCPR 040244Z 01013G18KT 3/4SM -SN BR VV005 00/M01 A2998 RMK AO2 P0014 $
KCPR 040206Z 35008KT 1 1/4SM -SN BR OVC008 00/00 A2997 RMK AO2 P0003 $
KCPR 040153Z 35008KT 1 1/4SM -SN BR OVC010 00/00 A2997 RMK AO2 PK WND 02026/0109 RAE20SNB20 SLP157 P0020 T00000000 $
KCPR 040117Z 02015G26KT 2SM RA BR SCT008 BKN012 OVC020 02/01 A2993 RMK AO2 PK WND 02026/0109 P0007 $
KCPR 040053Z 06011G18KT 2SM RA BR FEW005 SCT008 OVC018 04/04 A2990 RMK AO2 SLP122 P0013 T00440039 $

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The MAV is going nuts there. I can't recall seeing a 70 for WSP outside of a cane landfall or MWN.

 

I'm almost wondering if there is some convective aspect to this.  Is there a severe trowel, thundersnow, and even down bursting contributing?

 

One other aspect, how often have we seen that type of lower tropospheric ordeal under a core pseudo-closure that barely gets to 546 dm?  

 

Steve, yeah.. I thought that 75F high 3 days later was interesting too.  If they get 50" of snow, then that, there's likely to be some flood... so, would be a multifaceted event that might take a few days to play out in totality.   Fascinating.

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Sioux Falls in the 70s while rapid city is blizzarding.

 

 

This is a fluke storm Jerry. 

 

Having said that... heh, I think there has been an uptick in fluke events in recent years.  We had an "event budget" type debate recently -- it is interesting that this could be construed as an event that could make that list, yet, our own local phenomenon count is getting stretched. Hmm.

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The euro somewhat mutes the upcoming torch here with occasional weak fronts/backdoors. Ens still don't cool it to AOB normal until the 16th/17th which is an eternity.

As for RAP, those MAV winds are verifying at half of what it had for 9Z. I think it was on the ARod cocktail.

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