October Banter and discussion

[powderfreak]

When your avg first inch of snow is on 10/4 like Lander and Casper, it's not rubbing it in.

Is that really the average date got those places? They seem out of the mountains a bit.

[powderfreak]

Correct me if I am wrong Jerry but aren't the best USA wide winter's started with great inter mountain, upper Midwest cold start.

Gotta give it to you and Jerry for always being able to spot or turn something into a positive for a good winter. If you two ever get down on winter then we know we have issues.

[weathafella]

My freshman year of colleges had flakes 10/4 and measurable late October. Upstate ny.

[HoarfrostHubb]

1979 had early Oct snow. Then a stinker

But 09 was groovy

[Ginx snewx]

GFS is very interesting, would be something to talk about.

[powderfreak]

Won't be starting as early as last year at least...first measurable on the mountain was 4" on October 8th, and first flakes at home at 750ft was October 12th.

[Ginx snewx]

Gotta give it to you and Jerry for always being able to spot or turn something into a positive for a good winter. If you two ever get down on winter then we know we have issues.

You should have seen my posts prior to 6/7, what a disaster that year was.

[CoastalWx]

Well I think the banter stuff is just that. Most weenie meltdown posts in here. The weather side still has room for humor, but not meant for people melting down and weenie posts about a cat 1 into Tampa. This board is huge now so weenie in fanny posts just won't be aloud in wx threads.

[CoastalWx]

Is that really the average date got those places? They seem out of the mountains a bit.

It's possible it may be first trace? I'll have to check, but the front range of Wyoming starts early. Upslope snow on east winds will really lower snow elevations.

[weatherwiz]

1979 had early Oct snow. Then a stinker

But 09 was groovy

 

Also had a deadly violent tornado 

[snowman21]

Is that really the average date got those places? They seem out of the mountains a bit.

Based on the 1981-2010 normals period, the average first date of one inch or more of accumulated snowfall is 10/9 at CPR and 10/12 at LND.

[NECT]

Personally, I'd like to thank the mods. No mod is ever going to make every poster happy, and everyone has a different idea of what should be allowed where. Mods will get whined to no matter what. In the end, I think they do OK.

[Snow_Miser]

The forecasted pattern for snow cover growth in Eurasia is very nice. I would like to see a nice uptick in North American snow cover though.

[CoastalWx]

Based on the 1981-2010 normals period, the average first date of one inch or more of accumulated snowfall is 10/9 at CPR and 10/12 at LND.

CPR was what my post was based off of, but we can safely say near the end of the first week of October is when we usually have our first snow. Makes sense.

[Baroclinic Zone]

Why is it so difficult for some to stay on topic? Should we just make this the Banter thread and start a new Weather Discussion Thread? Will, Ryan, and I are trying to reel in this OT, banter nonsense that continues to be an issue in this Forum. This isn't a chat, take it to the Banter thread, OT, FB, Twitter, wherever, just not in the specific weather discussion threads. We have no problem sending people warnings if it continues. Time to step up our game in here and use the appropriate threads.

[snowman21]

CPR was what my post was based off of, but we can safely say near the end of the first week of October is when we usually have our first snow. Makes sense.

This is the link to the NOWData: http://www.nws.noaa.gov/climate/xmacis.php?wfo=riw

You can plug in 1981-2010 for time period, pick the station, first/last date, and snowfall>=1.0 inch. They come up with the same dates as I did except it looks like they round down where I rounded up, so LND's date is 10/11 according to the NWS.

[CoastalWx]

This is the link to the NOWData: http://www.nws.noaa.gov/climate/xmacis.php?wfo=riw

You can plug in 1981-2010 for time period, pick the station, first/last date, and snowfall>=1.0 inch. They come up with the same dates as I did except it looks like they round down where I rounded up, so LND's date is 10/11 according to the NWS.

Thanks man, I'm mobile at the moment, but appreciate the info. I got this from a TWC blog...maybe it was first flakes. I use the NOWData alot locally. Either way, end of first week of October it is for these guys. Upslope storms really aren't unusual before the 10th but what is really unusual is the snow modeled for lower sports further east in SD. I didn't dig into the 12z euro today though.

[Ginx snewx]

Well I think the banter stuff is just that. Most weenie meltdown posts in here. The weather side still has room for humor, but not meant for people melting down and weenie posts about a cat 1 into Tampa. This board is huge now so weenie in fanny posts just won't be aloud in wx threads.

This Subforum is not huge, it is what it is but like I said when the weather is serious we get serious. There seems to be this mantra that this board is huge, go ahead and look at the member numbers that post in SNE. If this was the main weather board then yea. As far as weenie posts it's like it bothers some, I mean don't you Mets have your own Subforum that's full of technical met only discussion? If it calls for it then we buckle down. It's not just Kevin either that has had seemingly innocuous posts deleted for unknown reasons. Again I point to the discussions leading up to Blizz 13 and the reporting during. Hunchie said it best. What was a small community of friends posting and discussing a common love mixed with humor, stories, knowledge is now turned into bland repetitive rote discussion. The small community exists here in this Subforum, practically nobody but the Mets post outside the region. The main weather board is rarely visited, perhaps the mods should figure out why. I used to post and interact with other regions, now rare time I do for fear of some local mod getting a hair across his arse. We know when to hold them and when to fold them. You read the OT section and the complaints about SNE, they are all from people who do not even live in the region.

[dendrite]

This Subforum is not huge, it is what it is but like I said when the weather is serious we get serious. There seems to be this mantra that this board is huge, go ahead and look at the member numbers that post in SNE. If this was the main weather board then yea. As far as weenie posts it's like it bothers some, I mean don't you Mets have your own Subforum that's full of technical met only discussion? If it calls for it then we buckle down. It's not just Kevin either that has had seemingly innocuous posts deleted for unknown reasons. Again I point to the discussions leading up to Blizz 13 and the reporting during. Hunchie said it best. What was a small community of friends posting and discussing a common love mixed with humor, stories, knowledge is now turned into bland repetitive rote discussion. The small community exists here in this Subforum, practically nobody but the Mets post outside the region. The main weather board is rarely visited, perhaps the mods should figure out why. I used to post and interact with other regions, now rare time I do for fear of some local mod getting a hair across his arse. We know when to hold them and when to fold them. You read the OT section and the complaints about SNE, they are all from people who do not even live in the region.

It seems like every cold season we have a crack down to get everyone back into shape for winter...sorta like NFL training camp. We already have an OT forum so I think we're pretty compromising to have banter threads on the wx side. I try to keep pattern/storm discussion to the wx only thread and the general ****-shooting wx talk and OT talk to the banter one, but obviously sometimes we all get sidetracked. I don't do a lot of moderating from my ios devices, but when I do I focus on the more egregious posts. As a whole, we'd like to have all subforums with similar posting guidelines though. It was a battle years ago, when everything was in just the wx F&D forum, trying to keep all members happy when some regional threads had unwritten, different rules from the others.

As for no longer visiting other regions due to subforums, I don't understand the difference between clicking into a different subforum vs clicking into a different regional thread. Is it a case of being forced to see the other regional thread topics back then versus the out of sight/out of mind with the subforums? I feel like the threads created more regional trolling/competitiveness.

Lastly, the weather is boring. I would just about take a day of sheet drizzle right now.

[powderfreak]

 It's not just Kevin either that has had seemingly innocuous posts deleted for unknown reasons. Again I point to the discussions leading up to Blizz 13 and the reporting during. Hunchie said it best. What was a small community of friends posting and discussing a common love mixed with humor, stories, knowledge is now turned into bland repetitive rote discussion. The small community exists here in this Subforum, practically nobody but the Mets post outside the region. The main weather board is rarely visited, perhaps the mods should figure out why. I used to post and interact with other regions, now rare time I do for fear of some local mod getting a hair across his arse. We know when to hold them and when to fold them. You read the OT section and the complaints about SNE, they are all from people who do not even live in the region.

 

Who cares if a post gets deleted?  Mine do from time to time if I'm baiting Blizz or something, but I don't understand why you guys take it so personally if someone gets rid of a post. 

 

This is a weather board...and one that a lot of mets frequent, lurk (I think it would surprise you who lurks here looking for observations), and post.  I like having a board that NWS mets will leave open to get observations from...and those folks shouldn't have to read about weenies in fannies.  We shoot the sh*t from time to time, but if we really want to do that all the time, we should just go to a bar.  This forum is for discussing weather.

 

And c'mon, Ginx.... its not as bad as you make it sound.  You really won't post in another forum because you are afraid of moderators?  If you are really posting weather related stuff and not trolling another sub-forum, you should have absolutely nothing to worry about. 

[weatherwiz]

It seems like every cold season we have a crack down to get everyone back into shape for winter...sorta like NFL training camp. We already have an OT forum so I think we're pretty compromising to have banter threads on the wx side. I try to keep pattern/storm discussion to the wx only thread and the general ****-shooting wx talk and OT talk to the banter one, but obviously sometimes we all get sidetracked. I don't do a lot of moderating from my ios devices, but when I do I focus on the more egregious posts. As a whole, we'd like to have all subforums with similar posting guidelines though. It was a battle years ago, when everything was in just the wx F&D forum, trying to keep all members happy when some regional threads had unwritten, different rules from the others.

As for no longer visiting other regions due to subforums, I don't understand the difference between clicking into a different subforum vs clicking into a different regional thread. Is it a case of being forced to see the other regional thread topics back then versus the out of sight/out of mind with the subforums? I feel like the threads created more regional trolling/competitiveness.

Lastly, the weather is boring. I would just about take a day of sheet drizzle right now.

 

The staff as a whole need to come up with a solid foundation and lay it out for the members in a pinned thread about what direction you guys would like the forum to go and lay out everything in a precise manner with great detail. I know you guys have stated things here and there but it would probably be better for everyone if something can be written up (I know there are the board rules out there) and pinned everywhere for everyone to see.  

 

I think everyone completely understands that banter should be held to banter/OT threads, and serious discussion to the main discussion threads, however, it's going to be quite difficult at times to keep everything in such an organized manner b/c it becomes rather tedious.  

 

Obviously with the board expanding and such certain changes need to be made but quite honestly, over the past year really the changes trying to be implemented are really hurting what was once a great thing.  It's becoming more "jail like" and the level of excitement to post is just not what it used to be.  

 

This place has evolved over the years to what it has become due to be b/c of the dynamic created not only by all the members but by the major core of people who have been contributing for several plus years.  Whether the changes that have been made are due to influences from other posters or just b/c the staff feels the board should move into a different direction, I don't know.  

 

What I used to love best about this place was not only could you learn a helluva lot, but the friendships created and the amount of fun made this place incredibly special.  Enough to the point to where you wouldn't want to be away from the board for more than several hours at a time...but that has changed.  

 

It probably would be best for all the staff to just get together and come up with some sort of post just laying out exactly what you want and where you plan for the direction to go now and in the future.  I just hope what once was a fantastic thing doesn't become ruined.  

[Ginx snewx]

Who cares if a post gets deleted?  Mine do from time to time if I'm baiting Blizz or something, but I don't understand why you guys take it so personally if someone gets rid of a post. 

 

This is a weather board...and one that a lot of mets frequent, lurk (I think it would surprise you who lurks here looking for observations), and post.  I like having a board that NWS mets will leave open to get observations from...and those folks shouldn't have to read about weenies in fannies.  We shoot the sh*t from time to time, but if we really want to do that all the time, we should just go to a bar.  This forum is for discussing weather.

 

And c'mon, Ginx.... its not as bad as you make it sound.  You really won't post in another forum because you are afraid of moderators?  If you are really posting weather related stuff and not trolling another sub-forum, you should have absolutely nothing to worry about.

I don't post because of other reasons but yea who knows what minor infraction I would get warned for by someone else. I know your stand, company man and all, us radicals need to vent once in a while. Like I said dude its been proven over and over again when it's serious time we are serious, please tell me what exactly was serious today that required moderation. As far as going to a bar, your liquor prices at the resort are stupid high.

[HoarfrostHubb]

Nah Wiz. It is all fine...

[Ginx snewx]

The staff as a whole need to come up with a solid foundation and lay it out for the members in a pinned thread about what direction you guys would like the forum to go and lay out everything in a precise manner with great detail. I know you guys have stated things here and there but it would probably be better for everyone if something can be written up (I know there are the board rules out there) and pinned everywhere for everyone to see.  

 

I think everyone completely understands that banter should be held to banter/OT threads, and serious discussion to the main discussion threads, however, it's going to be quite difficult at times to keep everything in such an organized manner b/c it becomes rather tedious.  

 

Obviously with the board expanding and such certain changes need to be made but quite honestly, over the past year really the changes trying to be implemented are really hurting what was once a great thing.  It's becoming more "jail like" and the level of excitement to post is just not what it used to be.  

 

This place has evolved over the years to what it has become due to be b/c of the dynamic created not only by all the members but by the major core of people who have been contributing for several plus years.  Whether the changes that have been made are due to influences from other posters or just b/c the staff feels the board should move into a different direction, I don't know.  

 

What I used to love best about this place was not only could you learn a helluva lot, but the friendships created and the amount of fun made this place incredibly special.  Enough to the point to where you wouldn't want to be away from the board for more than several hours at a time...but that has changed.  

 

It probably would be best for all the staff to just get together and come up with some sort of post just laying out exactly what you want and where you plan for the direction to go now and in the future.  I just hope what once was a fantastic thing doesn't become ruined.

Great post Wiz, exactly what Hunchie was getting at and what most of us know. People forget how our June 1 Irene, Rocktober, Sandy, Blizz 13 threads flowed with serious posts. Down time is fun time. I picture a lot of these folks in the work break room head buried in books while the rest of us are laughing telling jokes and being stupid. It is what is but we know what it isn't anymore.

[powderfreak]

It's possible it may be first trace? I'll have to check, but the front range of Wyoming starts early. Upslope snow on east winds will really lower snow elevations.

 

Makes sense with the upslope component and localized cooling that causes... and yeah, I do remember it snowing out there early in the season, quite a bit.  Bozeman, Montana always seems to be an area that also sees early season snow, though I think its on the NW side of mountains (which would also make sense for early snow). 

 

All else being equal, these decently populated (relative to the area) spots at 4-5,000ft+ aren't all that different from NNE's latitude (Burlington is about the same as Bozeman) and those dates are similar to first inch of snow at 4,000ft here in Vermont... so I guess it sounds about right. 

 

Based on the 1981-2010 normals period, the average first date of one inch or more of accumulated snowfall is 10/9 at CPR and 10/12 at LND.

 

Nice find.  Seems so early for an inch in populated areas, but the elevation of even the valleys is impressive.  Anyone know how much snow either of those places average annually by any chance?

[dendrite]

There's no change in the banter threads. Everyone is still friends. Maybe I'm missing something?

[HoarfrostHubb]

It's just a feeling Brian. Can't put my finger on it

Still mostly good, maybe it is just me being tired and bored with the wx

Nothing to track for a few weeks. Maybe it will get better

[snowman21]

Anyone know how much snow either of those places average annually by any chance?

CPR annual average is 74.9 and LND is 91.4. Both locations average measurable snowfall in every month but July and August.

[Ginx snewx]

There's no change in the banter threads. Everyone is still friends. Maybe I'm missing something?

We love ya Brian and always will, we need some friggin weather to talk about.

[dryslot]

Aye Yi Yi