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  On 10/8/2013 at 6:41 PM, redsoxdude1714 said:

Did anyone mention that BDR tied a record high yesterday?  (78 degrees)

missed that one.  Thought they only got to 77?  

Edit-intra hour high of 78-if we had more sun, it would have been 80 for sure,but that clearing just south of here never worked in.

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  On 10/8/2013 at 6:42 PM, Brian5671 said:

missed that one.  Thought they only got to 77?  

Edit-intra hour high of 78-if we had more sun, it would have been 80 for sure,but that clearing just south of here never worked in.

 

Yeah, reached 78 before 2pm, could have gone even higher with more sun. 

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  On 10/8/2013 at 6:40 PM, Wx Hype said:

With the blocking it's only gonna come north so far. If this was winter we'd be saying congrats Philly south

 

I'm not sure we've ever heard you say "congrats Philly" in a winter storm threat...

 

There's always a way or a reason why a snowstorm should shift north/south/east/west to Tolland ;)

 

Trolling aside, looks like your seasons in seasons should be coming more true in about 10 days.

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It's an odd pattern...  The larger -scaled picture features a strong -PNAP, which in any other scenario would promote a period of above to well-above norms.  But that weakly closed/stranded 500mb vortex over the MA blocks the high from otherwise settling into the more typical position for this sort of ridging, into the Bermuda structure.    

 

As a result ...vastly different sensible weather appeal than at first glance.   Although, I could almost see it being nice in S NH being closer to a narrow ridge axis, while RI is in a deeper E flow with murk to contend with. 

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Autumn crispies lurk in the la-la range... 

 

Seeing a longer term trend for rising PNA and falling NAO.   Also, the operational GFS has on a couple of recent run built up a bona fide -EPO ridge.  Perhaps not a lot of deterministic value, but the grumblings are out there.   

 

The operational Euro has a low-trustworthy tendency to raise heights in the NE Pac in it's extended.   May not be much ... but it is better then nothing if you are a cold weather enthusiast.  

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Going to be cold tonight with no clouds and diminishing gradient.... dews have fallen to around freezing up here and it looks like an interesting patchwork of frost/freeze advisories have been issued.

 

This time of year is always interesting with who has already had a freeze, where the climo average dates have passed, etc... some folks under it some not.

 

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  On 10/8/2013 at 8:33 PM, powderfreak said:

Going to be cold tonight with no clouds and diminishing gradient.... dews have fallen to around freezing up here and it looks like an interesting patchwork of frost/freeze advisories have been issued.

 

This time of year is always interesting with who has already had a freeze, where the climo average dates have passed, etc... some folks under it some not.

 

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This is why we didn't post an image of headlines to Facebook. It looks like garbage...ha

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  On 10/8/2013 at 8:39 PM, OceanStWx said:

This is why we didn't post an image of headlines to Facebook. It looks like garbage...ha

 

Likely way too confusing to the general public, lol.

 

You guys seem to have more patchwork than BTV... its easier to tell people its just the Champlain Valley that still is growing, but trying to say why one mountain zone has a freeze and another doesn't is a little harder.

 

What's interesting though is I don't remember our growing season here "officially" ending... we hit 31F one morning but the public statement only listed the Adirondacks and far NE VT as having the growing season ending.  Then it got warm again.  However, we have certainly passed the average dates of frost/freeze, so they may be going off climo dates rather than whether or not there's been a hard freeze in all those counties.

 

No leaves left... stick season with just brown mountainsides.  Would be hard to issue frost advisories for some of these zones seeing as nothing is really growing anyway, even if we haven't had a real widespread hard freeze (rather than touching 31F for a half hour at 6am).  Time stamp on this might as well say November 8th instead of October 8th.

 

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  On 10/8/2013 at 8:45 PM, powderfreak said:

Likely way too confusing to the general public, lol.

 

You guys seem to have more patchwork than BTV... its easier to tell people its just the Champlain Valley that still is growing, but trying to say why one mountain zone has a freeze and another doesn't is a little harder.

 

What's interesting though is I don't remember our growing season here "officially" ending... we hit 31F one morning but the public statement only listed the Adirondacks and far NE VT as having the growing season ending.  Then it got warm again.  However, we have certainly passed the average dates of frost/freeze, so they may be going off climo dates rather than whether or not there's been a hard freeze in all those counties.

 

No leaves left... stick season with just brown mountainsides.  Would be hard to issue frost advisories for some of these zones seeing as nothing is really growing anyway, even if we haven't had a real widespread hard freeze (rather than touching 31F for a half hour at 6am).  Time stamp on this might as well say November 8th instead of October 8th.

 

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That's generally the way it works, keeping issuing until a hard freeze or climo dates have passed. Which ever comes first.

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  On 10/8/2013 at 8:49 PM, HubbDave said:

Wow Scott , that was today? Strip city

 

Yeah that view won't change much over the next month unless it turns white... there's really no leaves left on the mountain.  Last year it snowed on this date and looking back at my photos, there was definitely more foliage still on the trees in that 1,000ft-2,500ft band.  So apparently we are early this year. 

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  On 10/8/2013 at 8:50 PM, OceanStWx said:

That's generally the way it works, keeping issuing until a hard freeze or climo dates have passed. Which ever comes first.

 

I'm surprised you guys haven't hit the climo dates for like Rumford, Jackman, Rangley, etc. 

 

That was sort of what got me thinking about it... cause those areas I would think come before the dates for this area.

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  On 10/8/2013 at 9:02 PM, powderfreak said:

I'm surprised you guys haven't hit the climo dates for like Rumford, Jackman, Rangley, etc. 

 

That was sort of what got me thinking about it... cause those areas I would think come before the dates for this area.

 

Believe it or not, but we don't end our program until the hard freeze occurs. We have no climo built in, which I don't necessarily agree with. The only climo we use is to start the program up in May with average last freeze dates.

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Interesting temp trends over the past 5 weeks...

 

BTV's average during the whole month of September was 70.6F.  The average in the first week of October was 71.6F.  So we are going backwards and its actually gotten warmer from what we experienced in September.

 

BOS has had the same average of 73.0F for high temps all of September as they have the first week of October, too. 

 

I looked at BDL, ORH, and MVL and all three of those have average high temperatures less than 1 degree different than the average highs for the entire month of September.

 

Pretty interesting considering some of the 80s and even 90F+ days we had in early September and again that hot spell in mid-September.  Shows just how much of a torch October has been so far.  Pretty much everyone in New England is like +6 to +9 on the month after 7 days.

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  On 10/8/2013 at 9:17 PM, OceanStWx said:

You're right though, we could have ended Rangeley through Jackman two weeks ago based on average dates.

 

:lol: yeah when I saw that on the warning/advisory map I was thinking about who is still expecting plants to be growing in those locations on October 8th.

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