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October 2013 General Discussion


snowlover2

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 On a side note...you guys don't have Halloween on Halloween actually?

 

Trick o' treating will be on either the 26, 27, or 31st depending on where you live. It's on the weekend so kids can get there homework done before they can go out and trick o treat in the daylight - for safety reasons.

 

Looks like the first snowfall for NW sections of this subforum on Sunday night. 12z EURO

 

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12z Euro has a little clipper type system laying down some light snow from Iowa into Illinois and Indiana Tuesday into Tuesday night.  This was good enough for DVN to put snow in the point for the first time this season for here.

 

From DVN...

SIGNIFICANT WAVE ARRIVES ON
TUESDAY (ECMWF) GIVING MUCH OF THE CWA A RAIN/SNOW MIX AS 850 MB
TEMPERATURES ARE PROGGED AT -2 TO -4C. THE 12Z RUN HAS SLOWED THIS
SYSTEM AND NOW ARRIVING DURING THE AFTERNOON INSTEAD OF MORNING. THE
ECMWF INDICATES STRONG DYNAMICS AND A SURFACE WAVE MOVING ACROSS
NORTHERN MO AND CENTRAL IL TUESDAY NIGHT. WITH TEMPERATURES COOLING
EVEN MORE THIS SHOULD TURN TO ALL SNOW WITH THE POTENTIAL FOR LIGHT
ACCUMULATIONS. CAUTION ADVISED...THIS IS ONE MODEL DEPICTING THIS AS THE
GFS/GEM HAVE THIS SYSTEM SOUTH OF THE DVN CWA AND A NON-EVENT.

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Right now I have 33° at showers for Tuesday night's Clipper. 12z EURO looked good for a rain snow mix here. Might take heavier returns to get the flakes all the way to the ground though.

 

Only 48° today. Not one lick of sun past 10:30am.

 

Edit: Departure only +2.44° now.

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500MB SPAGHETTI PLOTS SHOW GOOD MODEL AGREEMENT ON A SECONDARY SHOT

OF COLD AIR DROPPING DOWN FROM CANADA ON MONDAY. THIS WILL BE IN

CONCERT WITH A SURFACE LOW AND ATTENDANT COLD FRONT CROSSING THE

STATE. WIDESPREAD LIGHT RAIN IS LIKELY FOR MUCH OF THE CWA

MONDAY...THOUGH IF THE FRONT LOSES ITS FORCING IN SUBSEQUENT MODEL

RUNS...THOSE POPS WILL NEED TO BE LOWERED. 500MB HEIGHTS WILL RANGE

FROM 536 TO 540 DAM FOR THE BEGINNING OF THE WEEK. LAKE EFFECT

SHOWERS WILL AGAIN BE POSSIBLE AS LAPSE RATES APPROACH 9 C/KM. THERE

IS ALSO POTENTIAL FOR LIGHT SNOW IF ANY HYDROMETEORS MAKE THE TREK

ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE STATE. THE UPPER LOW WILL CAUSE TEMPERATURES

TO TREND ABOUT 10 DEGREES BELOW NORMAL. ALSO OF NOTE IN THIS EVIDENT COLD

REGIME IS THAT FROST/FREEZE HEADLINES WILL CEASE MONDAY MORNING.

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If all of this lake rain had been lake effect snow, with 20:1 ratios, I'd have gotten over 20" since last night at 8! 

 

 

LAKE
EFFECT SHOWERS WILL CONTINUE DOWNWIND OF THE LAKES...AND MAINTAINED
LIKELY POPS IN THE CLASSIC SNOWBELTS. SPEAKING OF SNOW...PRECIP WILL
GET MIXY TO SNOWY AT TIMES...ESPECIALLY AT NIGHT/MORNING AND
ESPECIALLY IN THE HIGH TERRAIN OF NORTHERN LOWER. THOUGH QUITE
UNCERTAIN WHETHER THIS WILL EVER RISE TO THE LEVEL OF A WINTER WX
HEADLINE...THE MENTION OF THE FIRST SNOW OF THE SEASON PRESENTLY IN
THE HAZ WX OUTLOOK IS REASONABLE.

 

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The GEM has snow for the southern part of this subforum (northern Illinois, Indiana, Ohio) Tuesday night/Wednesday morning

 

http://collaboration.cmc.ec.gc.ca/cmc/cmdn/pcpn_type/pcpn_type_gem_reg.html

 

Yeah that's a vigorous looking little wave that's been advertised by the Euro as well.  Looks like a narrow swath may actually see some light accumulations Tue night.  Just a question of where it ends up tracking. 

 

DVN mentions we may dip into the teens Tuesday morning if radiational cooling conditions maximize.  Certainly looks like our first hard freeze at the least.  Although we may get close to a hard freeze tonight.

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I know it's early, but two separate waves on Wednesday morning and Thursday morning seem to both hit northwestern Ohio with accumulating snows. It makes me really happy to see because, correct me if I'm wrong, I feel most of Ohio has had a really rough couple of years with accumulating snows... Having something like this so early would really be a nice little apology gift!

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I know it's early, but two separate waves on Wednesday morning and Thursday morning seem to both hit northwestern Ohio with accumulating snows. It makes me really happy to see because, correct me if I'm wrong, I feel most of Ohio has had a really rough couple of years with accumulating snows... Having something like this so early would really be a nice little apology gift!

 

I doubt they will both be snow.  A rain/snow mix likely could come of it, but I would expect no accumulation.  Even MPX stated the other day that Minneapolis and its environs would likely not see accumulation due to warm ground.  If Minneapolis would deal with it, NW Ohio will have the same issue.

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Still have the rain/snow Tuesday night my my forecast. Would not be surprised if it trended north given it being early in the season.

 

Couple intense looking showers moving in this direction. Could see some graupel as well.  Shower was too light for graupel.

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