A-L-E-K Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 ORD hit 42 and RFD hit 36 this morning...coldest so far this season. Maybe Alek is trolling...but why would anyone celebrate the fact that an urban jungle modifies a local climate so much? Concrete, pollution, and lack of green space FTW, I guess. UHI is bad enough in the Chicago suburbs! Not a personal attack by any means - to each his own. I live across from one of the largest parks in the state...I have plenty of green space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-L-E-K Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 sums up his general worth. yes, because everyone wants to freeze their ass off 11 months of the year. This board really is just filled with a bunch of snow weenies these days huh? so comfortable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago Storm Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Through 10/13 at ORD, the lowest temp so far this season is 43 (on 10/8). This has to be the latest in the season without a sub-43 temp...or at least very close. Impressive, considering that the normal low for this time of year is 43. Regarding sub-40 it's not even close...Most recently was 2011 and 2005, which did not end up seeing a sub-40F temp until 10/21 and 10/22. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonger Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 The is nothing wrong with digging warmth, but from a weather hobbiest, I would be annoyed how much local structures prevent me from getting accurate readings. Again, this is a problem for less than 1 in 500,000 people, but quite common on this board. I would be annoyed if a few dozen smelting factories were built in my town and the average high temp shot up 5 degrees all year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beavis1729 Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 I live across from one of the largest parks in the state...I have plenty of green space. Maybe it's me...but I don't know why folks have such a hard time acknowledging the reasonable point that urbanization impacts local climate tremendously. We shouldn't celebrate it. Yes, it may be more "comfortable" on fall nights...but at what cost? Besides the ecological cost, don't people think about how sad it is that we can alter our climate so much? There's something fundamentally wrong with UHI, even if it can't be measured by dollars. You make it seem like no one should ever challenge this. You watch the local news around here and they say "light winds - low of 40 north/west, 50 ORD, and 55 in the city" as if it's no big deal. I guess John Q Public doesn't bother to wonder what leads to a 15 degree difference in temperatures with the same air mass. It has nothing to do with Lake Michigan. I was clear that it wasn't a personal attack, and I meant that. If you disagree with my argument, no problem...but just come out and say it. I'm glad you have a park nearby, but that doesn't change the extent of UHI in the heart of the city. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beavis1729 Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Regarding sub-40 it's not even close...Most recently was 2011 and 2005, which did not end up seeing a sub-40F temp until 10/21 and 10/22. Yep, good point...although 2005 is probably the record latest sub-40. So, if it finally falls below 40 later this week, ORD will only end up 4-5 days off that record. It used to be easy to calculate these seasonal "firsts and lasts"...but now that the Utah State University climate website changed their webpage, it's a lot more difficult to access climate data than it used to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geos Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Balmy night tonight. Probably the last night it's going to be this warm at this hour in awhile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daddylonglegs Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Pattern change showing up big time... gets those parkas ready Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beavis1729 Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Balmy night tonight. Probably the last night it's going to be this warm at this hour in awhile. Yeah, the temp has actually risen a bit over the past few hours. Looking ahead a few days...Thursday morning may get quite chilly if the skies can clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoaster Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Low of 50F for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daddylonglegs Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Rain drops....typical wet fall day here..gloomy/chilly ..leaves falling. Talking to my brother who was up bowhunting all weekend...about an hour north of here and he said probably 50% of the leaves had already fallen and figures they'll all be gone by next week... Locally the leaves are peaked or maybe past peak. The colors are "eh" this year...think the drought this summer didn't help. .30" of rain over nite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowstorms Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Low of 50F for me It got down to 40-41F at the airport with winds out of the north. Downtown as I said earlier often sees the freeze later than the outskirts due to the albedo effect and natual geography of its location (lake). Next 2 weeks look intriguing and exciting. With a -EPO developing and active storm track.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone77 Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Picked up 0.13" of rain so far, but it's mostly over. Definitely no UHI effect here out in the middle of BFE in the rock river valley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoaster Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 It got down to 40-41F at the airport with winds out of the north. Downtown as I said earlier often sees the freeze later than the outskirts due to the albedo effect and natual geography of its location (lake). Next 2 weeks look intriguing and exciting. With a -EPO developing and active storm track.. There's nothing exciting about chilly rain! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daddylonglegs Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Maybe downtown La Crosse has a UHI, but where i am, there isn't...same for the official reading at the airport which is on an island surrounded by L Onalaska (Mississippi River) and the Black River (which i'm sure at a tiny amt of heat this time of year, but will both freeze over come Dec/Jan/Feb). I will say that the NWS, which is located on the bluff (500 feet above the city) has much warmer readings on calm/clear/winter nites... but that is just cold air draining into the valleys...obviously fog also isn't an issue on top of the bluffs... My brother's cabin is located on the ridge top and to get to where they hunt, you have to go down into the valley...he said at the cabin the temp was in the low 40Fs when he left and he watched the temp bottom out in the valley at 27F yesterday morning. Classic cold air drainage. My guess is Sparta, WI, where the reading is taken, is also in some sort of low valley location surrounded by higher ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherbo Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Down to 31 this morning. Clouds have arrived and that's holding temps in the 40's. Read a local news article from a met at APX office, and while he didn't make a prediction , he did say a lot of the office felt like winter arrives in November this year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wisconsinwx Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Into the steady light to moderate rain now. Milwaukee finally had their first sub 60 high yesterday, and if today stands pat with no rise above 60, we may well start a long string of sub 60 highs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geos Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Off and on drizzle/sprinkles here so far. Gloomy October day. 54° Definitely will end up as a wetter than normal year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrisale Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 It got down to 40-41F at the airport with winds out of the north. Downtown as I said earlier often sees the freeze later than the outskirts due to the albedo effect and natual geography of its location (lake). Next 2 weeks look intriguing and exciting. With a -EPO developing and active storm track.. Never reached below 40F here either (north Oakville, away from the lake). Agreed re: the next few weeks. Could have a shot at some early snow near the end of the month. I'm ready for some cold after this great last 5 weeks of weather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoaster Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Never reached below 40F here either (north Oakville, away from the lake). Agreed re: the next few weeks. Could have a shot at some early snow near the end of the month. I'm ready for some cold after this great last 5 weeks of weather. It's really been such a long stretch. With the exception of the week following that early (and brief) September heat wave, meteorological fall has been very nice and warm for Toronto. Believe it or not, GFS has some LES (rather intense LES actually in your neighbourhood, harrisale). I'd say it's out to lunch, but could mean some very chilly rains to come. Massive Alaskan ridge building and deep trough over the lakes and it just keeps delivering in the long range, no movement whatsoever. It could be a very cool remaining fall for those west and north in this subforum (Wisconsin looks really prime for some early cold). IIRC, last October was normal/slightly below normal, but there was nothing to hoot or holler above. November/December have been above normal for about the last 3 seasons for most of us now I'd say? Someone can verify this, don't quote me on it. This may be the first sense of normalcy for a lot of us in terms of late fall conditions.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone77 Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Another band of light rain bumped us up to 0.20" for the day. Cold front is approaching now, but out ahead of it the dew has shot up to 58. Front should pass in the next hour and crash the dews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
on_wx Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Never reached below 40F here either (north Oakville, away from the lake). Agreed re: the next few weeks. Could have a shot at some early snow near the end of the month. I'm ready for some cold after this great last 5 weeks of weather. It's that annoying time of the year where you need a coat during the morning and evening, but only a tshirt for the afternoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geos Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Drizzle is building into a light rain now. Winds SE keeping the temps in the 50s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daddylonglegs Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Drizzle, and now some sunshine (some holes in the clouds).... wind is blowing hard this afternoon... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wisconsinwx Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 If we had any good chance of an October snowfall, early to middle next week looks like a good setup to produce it. Some models keep a weaker system (which would be better to keep any low from trending NW), while others produce a stronger Western Lakes Cutter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowlover2 Posted October 15, 2013 Author Share Posted October 15, 2013 Todays 12z GFS at hour 192. This would be nice in December or January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wisconsinwx Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 It's really been such a long stretch. With the exception of the week following that early (and brief) September heat wave, meteorological fall has been very nice and warm for Toronto. Believe it or not, GFS has some LES (rather intense LES actually in your neighbourhood, harrisale). I'd say it's out to lunch, but could mean some very chilly rains to come. Massive Alaskan ridge building and deep trough over the lakes and it just keeps delivering in the long range, no movement whatsoever. It could be a very cool remaining fall for those west and north in this subforum (Wisconsin looks really prime for some early cold). IIRC, last October was normal/slightly below normal, but there was nothing to hoot or holler above. November/December have been above normal for about the last 3 seasons for most of us now I'd say? Someone can verify this, don't quote me on it. This may be the first sense of normalcy for a lot of us in terms of late fall conditions.. Last November was the exception (slightly cool/dry) but in general yes, recent Novembers have been warm and tending to be rainy, and Decembers have been rather lackluster as well since 2008 locally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoaster Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 If we had any good chance of an October snowfall, early to middle next week looks like a good setup to produce it. Some models keep a weaker system (which would be better to keep any low from trending NW), while others produce a stronger Western Lakes Cutter. Wow, did you really only receive 9" of snow for all of last season?? That's massively below normal, no? Sorry to hear... hope this year is much better for you! No one else has the right to complain when you have that much annual snowfall!! I felt so sad about my 20" in 2011-12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wisconsinwx Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Wow, did you really only receive 9" of snow for all of last season?? That's massively below normal, no? Sorry to hear... hope this year is much better for you! No one else has the right to complain when you have that much annual snowfall!! I felt so sad about my 20" in 2011-12 Why I still have that up I'll never know; I was just lazy to change it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago Storm Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Next 2 weeks look intriguing and exciting. With a -EPO developing and active storm track.. In reality it's not going to be exciting and there isn't going to be an active storm track for the next week+. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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