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Steve

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I was actually a bit relieved to see the euro a bit stronger and North. The trend was getting uncomfortably close to this being pushed and bullied southeast...(see 12z ggem)

Interested to see/hear the soundings on this puppy & if its mostly snow here. Been in the "magical" Disney World last few days heading back now. Stuck on a broken plane at the Orlando airport & may b here a while. Looking 4ward 2 one "big one" maybe then Spring!
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12z Euro for CMH. The 12z Euro looked rather close to phasing the storm on Sunday which would be bad news for those looking for all snow.

SAT 12Z 01-MAR  -1.1    -5.1    1022      83      96    0.05     554     537    SAT 18Z 01-MAR   3.8    -3.0    1021      75      43    0.02     560     543    SUN 00Z 02-MAR   2.0    -1.5    1020      89      55    0.00     563     547    SUN 06Z 02-MAR   1.5    -1.9    1020      95      59    0.01     563     547    SUN 12Z 02-MAR   0.6     1.1    1021      97      91    0.05     563     547    SUN 18Z 02-MAR  -2.5     0.6    1021      88     100    0.12     563     546    MON 00Z 03-MAR  -4.6     1.1    1019      86     100    0.28     562     547    MON 06Z 03-MAR  -6.3     1.2    1016      86      99    0.24     558     546    MON 12Z 03-MAR  -8.5    -3.3    1014      85     100    0.44     552     541    MON 18Z 03-MAR  -8.8    -7.3    1020      69      58    0.13     547     532    
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00z GFS comes in a bit juicier for CMH. Still all snow.

 

This thread is kinda dead considering the potential, must be everyone is sick of winter!

Speaking for myself, I'm guarded on this until12z friday runs. Granted things look good right now but 96+ is still plenty of time for a shift either way. BTW, the ggem looks like it crushes southern half of Ohio.

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Speaking for myself, I'm guarded on this until12z friday runs. Granted things look good right now but 96+ is still plenty of time for a shift either way. BTW, the ggem looks like it crushes southern half of Ohio.

I can still see this being a miss to the south, which I can live with. A miss to the north would likely be massive frz rain for us.

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06z GFS is a thing of beauty for OH. It would rival March 2008.

 

Too bad it's so far out.

 

Yea lots model discrepancies, 06z NAM is a monster ice storm I-70 & south.  I don't like the looks of this (i.e. NAM was closer than the GFS for the 3 biggest storms we got this winter in the Dayton area and all three of those were major busts).

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So i'm showing mix for cincy. frz and sleet. What am i missing?

 

http://coolwx.com/cgi-bin/getbufr.cgi?region=OH&stn=KCVG&model=gfs&time=current&field=prec

That link is dynamic and shows the current model runs from the GFS, and right now its still showing the 06z one has over 1.2" total QPF all snow for Cincy, and if you start with roughly 10:1 and end near 20:1 ratios that could be a foot and a half total!

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NAM and Euro seem to like the ice storm idea.  EE rule in effect on this one?   

 

You almost have to laugh at the similarities between the lead up to this storm and the earlier FEB storm that dumped on us.   Not sure the ee rule applies with the nam outside 48 hrs..lol.    Actually, the fact that the nam has the 850 0 line over us at 84 might be a good sign (for the pro snow storm crowd*).  This is usually the range where the nam is stupid far nw and warm...it was with the early FEB storm at this range.  

 

*This is the first winterstorm I can honestly say I won't be sad if it misses us.  For personal reasons, if there was one timeframe this whole winter where I wouldn't want a snow/ice storm it's the 24 hours from this Sunday into Monday.    It doesn't look like rain is an option, so if I had to choose what I want, it would be sleet, than snow, than ice, (unless the ice isn't bad enough to cause major problems).

I fully realize I may lose my weenie credentials, but I'll gladly fill out a temporary waiver if need be.

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You almost have to laugh at the similarities between the lead up to this storm and the earlier FEB storm that dumped on us.   Not sure the ee rule applies with the nam outside 48 hrs..lol.    Actually, the fact that the nam has the 850 0 line over us at 84 might be a good sign (for the pro snow storm crowd*).  This is usually the range where the nam is stupid far nw and warm...it was with the early FEB storm at this range.  

 

*This is the first winterstorm I can honestly say I won't be sad if it misses us.  For personal reasons, if there was one timeframe this whole winter where I wouldn't want a snow/ice storm it's the 24 hours from this Sunday into Monday.    It doesn't look like rain is an option, so if I had to choose what I want, it would be sleet, than snow, than ice, (unless the ice isn't bad enough to cause major problems).

I fully realize I may lose my weenie credentials, but I'll gladly fill out a temporary waiver if need be.

Wow. Say it isn't so! LOL. Well I hope whatever happens it doesn't hinder your plans too bad.

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Wow. Say it isn't so! LOL. Well I hope whatever happens it doesn't hinder your plans too bad.

 

yea don't get me wrong.  Unfortunately for me, the one thing the models handle well is the timing of these systems and the timing is horrible.    Put this thing 24 hrs earlier or later and it would be the best of both worlds....our padded stats and my situation unaffected.  Unfortunately we can't order off a menu.

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I think Columbus sees a lot of snow...as in at least 6". Right now the models aren't showing a strong surface low so the warm tongue may not be too bad. Even the 12z Canadian which is for now a southern outlier hits you guys good, the GFS/Euro have a ton of QPF. Ice may get close to or possibly even to Columbus but even if that happens I think you may see some snow before/after. We'll see.

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I think Columbus sees a lot of snow...as in at least 6". Right now the models aren't showing a strong surface low so the warm tongue may not be too bad. Even the 12z Canadian which is for now a southern outlier hits you guys good, the GFS/Euro have a ton of QPF. Ice may get close to or possibly even to Columbus but even if that happens I think you may see some snow before/after. We'll see.

 

Agreed.  The city just does not have a history with large ice events.  They're usually more like December 2004, with lots of snow and then ice, but even those situations are very rare.  What typically happens is that a storm forecast to be snow goes too far north, hits with snow at the beginning turning to ice and then rain, or an ice storm ends up as just rain or, less often, snow.  Storms just don't start and stay ice here, so whatever the Euro/NAM may be saying about ice, they're going to be wrong.

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