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2nd Annual Snow Thread for the Mountains


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Even some token action around the southern foothills as shown on the 06 gfs...

Looking at this mornings GFS run a lot of the mountains could be tromping through the snow on Thanksgiving morning. Wow looks like a day right out from January. Very impressed with the possibilities. Could see several inches of snow per this morning run. I have a feeling we continue to trend better as we get closer. Could be wrong but seems like the GFS is trending better for the mountains.

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Just got home from work & the wind is howling in the French Broad Valley! Totally different world than when I went in around 11:00 AM. It's going to be a interesting couple days in the Mnts! Robert has a great video on his site. Not going to steal his thunder but, he does say of the 2 scenarios in play. We get some white stuff with either one. Hope this is the forebears of a snowy winter.

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9 degrees...30 mph wind..frick it is cold up here! Didnt snow but sort of looks like as there is rather excessive amounts of frost..maybe a little rime.Winds were crazy last night. Not snowing on the Tn line either..very few clouds

Ya Mike down to 12 degrees here and the snow is flying around. Very dew clouds but with the wind and being so cold figured the moisture is being rung out of the atmosphere.

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Morning Gents, You guys are chilly this AM. We got down to a balmy 20° in Weaverville. Mike when are you headed up North?

 

I'm already back in Michigan. I'm trying to get a handle on this very complicated weather scenario that is approaching. Lot of different aspects of this storm that are interesting..with weather will vary quite a bit in different parts of the mountains...Blue Ridge..vs SW Mountains vs TN line areas. I think I will just enjoy watching the scenario unfold from afar rather than try to pin down a forecast. FYI..here are a few pics from the weekend trip.

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URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE...CORRECTED

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE GREENVILLE-SPARTANBURG SC

542 AM EST MON NOV 25 2013

...ICY CONDITIONS EXPECTED ACROSS PORTIONS OF THE CAROLINA AND

GEORGIA MOUNTAINS AND THE NORTH CAROLINA FOOTHILLS...

.ABUNDANT MOISTURE WILL STREAM NORTHWARD INTO THE SOUTHERN

APPALACHIANS FROM A GULF OF MEXICO LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM TONIGHT.

THIS MOISTURE WILL MOVE INTO VERY COLD AND DRY AIR IN PLACE ACROSS

THE CAROLINA MOUNTAINS AND NORTH CAROLINA FOOTHILLS. COLD

TEMPERATURES LEADING UP TO THE PRECIPITATION WILL PERMIT SURFACES

TO BECOME COLD AND SUPPORT ICE ACCUMULATIONS WITH ANY FREEZING

RAIN THAT FALLS. ACCUMULATING ICE IS EXPECTED LATE TONIGHT INTO

EARLY TUESDAY...WITH AREAS ALONG THE BLUE RIDGE IN NORTH CAROLINA

BEING THE MOST LIKELY TO SEE SIGNIFICANT ACCUMULATIONS. THE

PRECIPITATION IS EXPECTED TO CHANGE TO RAIN IN ALL AREAS BY LATE

TUESDAY MORNING.

GAZ010-NCZ033-049-050-052-053-062>064-501>506-508-510-SCZ001>003-

251900-

/O.COR.KGSP.ZR.Y.0004.131126T0200Z-131126T1400Z/

RABUN-AVERY-YANCEY-MITCHELL-HAYWOOD-BUNCOMBE-MACON-

SOUTHERN JACKSON-TRANSYLVANIA-CALDWELL MOUNTAINS-GREATER CALDWELL-

BURKE MOUNTAINS-GREATER BURKE-MCDOWELL MOUNTAINS-EASTERN MCDOWELL-

GREATER RUTHERFORD-EASTERN POLK-OCONEE MOUNTAINS-

PICKENS MOUNTAINS-GREENVILLE MOUNTAINS-

INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...CLAYTON...NEWLAND...SPRUCE PINE...

WAYNESVILLE...ASHEVILLE...FRANKLIN...BREVARD

542 AM EST MON NOV 25 2013

...FREEZING RAIN ADVISORY IN EFFECT FROM 9 PM THIS EVENING TO

9 AM EST TUESDAY...

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN GREENVILLE-SPARTANBURG HAS ISSUED

A FREEZING RAIN ADVISORY...WHICH IS IN EFFECT FROM 9 PM THIS

EVENING TO 9 AM EST TUESDAY.

* LOCATIONS...THE WESTERN CAROLINA AND GEORGIA MOUNTAINS...AS WELL

AS THE NORTH CAROLINA FOOTHILLS.

* HAZARDS...LIGHT ICE ACCUMULATION.

* TIMING...FREEZING RAIN MIXED WITH SLEET DEVELOPING DURING MID TO

LATE EVENING. TEMPERATURES WILL BEGIN WARMING FROM THE SOUTHWEST

AFTER MIDNIGHT...ALLOWING PRECIPITATION TO TRANSITION TO RAIN IN

ALL AREAS BY LATE TUESDAY MORNING.

* ACCUMULATIONS...TRACE AMOUNTS UP A TENTH OF AN INCH OF ICE IN

MOST AREAS. LOCATIONS ALONG THE BLUE RIDGE COULD SEE HIGHER

AMOUNTS.

* IMPACTS...RECENT COLD WEATHER SHOULD ALLOW RAIN TO FREEZE ON

SOME ROADS...ESPECIALLY ACROSS THE MOUNTAINS. DRIVING COULD

BECOME TREACHEROUS IN AREAS ALONG AND NEAR THE BLUE RIDGE LATE

TONIGHT AND EARLY TUESDAY.

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With the recent cold shot the ground should be prime for any freezing. We had a low this morning of 11 degrees. Pretty amazing considering it is only November.  Also the snow aspect of this storm looks impressive. I think we see a prolonged period of snow and I think the models are under doing the amounts especially in the upslope regions.

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Winter Storm Watch
URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGENATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE GREENVILLE-SPARTANBURG SC451 AM EST TUE NOV 26 2013...ICY CONDITIONS DEVELOPING ACROSS PORTIONS OF THE CAROLINA ANDGEORGIA MOUNTAINS AND THE NORTH CAROLINA FOOTHILLS....PRECIPITATION WILL INCREASE IN INTENSITY THIS MORNING ACROSS THEWESTERN CAROLINAS AND NORTHEAST GEORGIA. COLD AIR NEAR THESURFACE WILL PROMOTE AREAS OF FREEZING RAIN...PRIMARILY ALONG ANDEAST OF THE I-26 CORRIDOR IN THE THE MOUNTAINS...AND ALONG ANDNORTH OF I-85 IN THE PIEDMONT AND FOOTHILLS. ACCUMULATING ICE ISMOST LIKELY ALONG THE BLUE RIDGE IN NORTH CAROLINA...WHEREDAMAGING ACCUMULATIONS ARE LIKELY. THE PRECIPITATION IS EXPECTEDTO CHANGE TO RAIN IN ALL AREAS BY LATE TUESDAY MORNING.AS LOW PRESSURE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE PRECIPITATION MOVES NORTHEASTOF THE AREA LATE TONIGHT AND WEDNESDAY...DEVELOPING STRONGNORTHWEST WINDS WILL BRING COLD AIR BACK INTO THE AREA...ALLOWINGRAIN TO CHANGE BACK TO FREEZING RAIN...AND THEN SNOW ACROSSPORTIONS OF THE NORTH CAROLINA MOUNTAINS. HEAVY ACCUMULATIONS OFWINTRY PRECIP WILL BE POSSIBLE TONIGHT...ESPECIALLY IN THECOUNTIES BORDERING TENNESSEE.NCZ048-052-261700-/O.CON.KGSP.ZR.Y.0004.000000T0000Z-131126T1400Z//O.CON.KGSP.WS.A.0007.131127T0500Z-131128T0500Z/MADISON-HAYWOOD-INCLUDING THE CITY OF...WAYNESVILLE451 AM EST TUE NOV 26 2013...FREEZING RAIN ADVISORY REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 9 AM EST THISMORNING......WINTER STORM WATCH REMAINS IN EFFECT FROM LATE TONIGHT THROUGHWEDNESDAY EVENING...* LOCATIONS...THE NORTH CAROLINA MOUNTAIN COUNTIES BORDERING  TENNESSEE.* HAZARDS...LIGHT ICE ACCUMULATION THIS MORNING. ADDITIONAL  LIGHT ICE ACCUMULATION TONIGHT...ALONG WITH HEAVY SNOWFALL.  VERY GUSTY WINDS DEVELOPING TOWARD SUNRISE. PERIODS OF  BLIZZARD-LIKE CONDITIONS...INCLUDING SIGNIFICANT BLOWING AND  DRIFTING OF SNOW WILL BE POSSIBLE ON WEDNESDAY...MAINLY IN THE  HIGHER ELEVATIONS.* TIMING...FREEZING RAIN WILL CHANGE TO RAIN THIS MORNING. RAIN  WILL CHANGE BRIEFLY BACK TO FREEZING RAIN AFTER MIDNIGHT  TONIGHT...THEN QUICKLY CHANGE TO SNOW...BECOMING HEAVY AT  TIMES LATE TONIGHT AND WEDNESDAY.* ACCUMULATIONS...LIGHT ICE ACCUMULATION THIS MORNING.  ADDITIONAL LIGHT ICE ACCUMULATIONS TONIGHT...FOLLOWED BY 2 TO  6 INCHES OF SNOW LATE TONIGHT THROUGH WEDNESDAY...WITH THE  HIGHER AMOUNTS EXPECTED IN THE HIGHER ELEVATIONS.* WINDS...STRONG NORTHWEST WINDS DEVELOPING AROUND SUNRISE  WEDNESDAY AND CONTINUING THROUGH THE DAY. SUSTAINED WINDS OF  25 TO 35 MPH...WITH GUSTS TO 50 MPH ARE EXPECTED.* VISIBILITY...OCCASIONAL 1/4 MILE OR LESS IN HEAVY OR BLOWING  SNOW.* IMPACTS...SLICK SPOTS POSSIBLE ON ROADS THIS MORNING.  ADDITIONAL ICE ACCUMULATIONS AND HEAVY SNOWFALL WILL CREATE  SIGNIFICANT TRAVEL PROBLEMS LATE TONIGHT AND WEDNESDAY...  ESPECIALLY ACROSS THE HIGHER ELEVATIONS. PERIODS OF BLIZZARD-  LIKE CONDITIONS WILL BE POSSIBLE ACROSS THE HIGHER ELEVATIONS  WEDNESDAY
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SWAIN-GRAHAM-

...WINTER STORM WATCH REMAINS IN EFFECT FROM LATE TONIGHT THROUGH
WEDNESDAY EVENING...

* LOCATIONS...THE NORTH CAROLINA MOUNTAIN COUNTIES BORDERING
  TENNESSEE.

* HAZARDS...LIGHT ICE ACCUMULATION TONIGHT...ALONG WITH HEAVY
  SNOWFALL. VERY GUSTY WINDS DEVELOPING TOWARD SUNRISE. PERIODS
  OF BLIZZARD-LIKE CONDITIONS...INCLUDING SIGNIFICANT BLOWING
  AND DRIFTING OF SNOW WILL BE POSSIBLE ON WEDNESDAY...MAINLY IN
  THE HIGHER ELEVATIONS.

* TIMING...RAIN WILL CHANGE BRIEFLY TO FREEZING RAIN AFTER
  MIDNIGHT TONIGHT...THEN QUICKLY CHANGE TO SNOW...BECOMING
  HEAVY AT TIMES LATE TONIGHT AND WEDNESDAY.

* ACCUMULATIONS...LIGHT ICE ACCUMULATIONS TONIGHT...FOLLOWED BY
  2 TO 6 INCHES OF SNOW LATE TONIGHT THROUGH WEDNESDAY...WITH
  THE HIGHER AMOUNTS EXPECTED IN THE HIGHER ELEVATIONS.

* WINDS...STRONG NORTHWEST WINDS DEVELOPING AROUND SUNRISE
  WEDNESDAY AND CONTINUING THROUGH THE DAY. SUSTAINED WINDS OF
  25 TO 35 MPH...WITH GUSTS TO 50 MPH ARE EXPECTED.

* VISIBILITY...OCCASIONAL 1/4 MILE OR LESS IN HEAVY OR BLOWING
  SNOW.

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AVERY-YANCEY-MITCHELL-
INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...NEWLAND...SPRUCE PINE
451 AM EST TUE NOV 26 2013

...ICE STORM WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL NOON EST TODAY...
...WINTER STORM WATCH REMAINS IN EFFECT FROM LATE TONIGHT THROUGH
WEDNESDAY EVENING...
 

* LOCATIONS...THE NORTHERN MOUNTAINS OF NORTH CAROLINA.

* HAZARDS...HEAVY ICE ACCUMULATION THIS MORNING. ADDITIONAL
  LIGHT ICE ACCUMULATION TONIGHT...ALONG WITH HEAVY SNOWFALL.
  VERY GUSTY WINDS DEVELOPING TOWARD SUNRISE. PERIODS OF
  BLIZZARD-LIKE CONDITIONS...INCLUDING SIGNIFICANT BLOWING AND
  DRIFTING OF SNOW WILL BE POSSIBLE ON WEDNESDAY.

* TIMING...FREEZING RAIN WILL CONTINUE IN THE VALLEYS AND ALONG
  THE BLUE RIDGE THIS MORNING BEFORE CHANGING TO RAIN. RAIN WILL
  CHANGE BRIEFLY BACK TO FREEZING RAIN AFTER MIDNIGHT TONIGHT...
  THEN QUICKLY CHANGE TO SNOW...BECOMING HEAVY AT TIMES LATE
  TONIGHT AND WEDNESDAY.

* ACCUMULATIONS...AROUND ONE QUARTER INCH OF ICE THIS MORNING.
  ADDITIONAL LIGHT ICE ACCUMULATIONS TONIGHT...FOLLOWED BY 4 TO
  6 INCHES OF SNOW LATE TONIGHT THROUGH WEDNESDAY. LOCALLY
  HIGHER SNOWFALL TOTALS WILL BE POSSIBLE...MAINLY IN THE HIGH
  ELEVATIONS ALONG THE TENNESSEE BORDER.

* WINDS...STRONG NORTHWEST WINDS DEVELOPING AROUND SUNRISE
  WEDNESDAY AND CONTINUING THROUGH THE DAY. SUSTAINED WINDS OF
  25 TO 35 MPH...WITH GUSTS TO 50 MPH ARE EXPECTED.

* VISIBILITY...OCCASIONAL 1/4 MILE OR LESS IN HEAVY OR BLOWING
  SNOW.

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Latest GFS run coming in with more moisture on the Backside and then a very nice upslope event. Going to be an exciting 48 hours from here on out. I think we could be seeing some isolated totals of upwards of a foot in some of the most favored areas.

 

It's almost nowcast time but, I sure am liking the trends 85. You are looking at a nice November Snow & probably a white Thanksgiving! I am even liking our chances for a inch or two.

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A toasty 39 up top now-there was some significant icing earlier but has since melted with almost an inch of rain has fallen. 

 

Looking at local observations-temps look really marginal for icing so I suspect most areas pretty much have had little or no ice at all or maybe just on the trees.

 

Will look at the 12Z models for the back end of the event to figure out how much system snow to fall. From previous run-it shows a very sharp vertical gradient in temperature..meaning that it might change to snow at all elevations at almost the same time. The upslope component might be limited except right along the TN line as vertical motions fields didn't really suggest any embedded shortwaves?

 

(EDIT: LeConte picked up 2" of snow last night before changing to rain. http://www.highonleconte.com/1/post/2013/11/good-bye-from-the-2013-crew.html )

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Some sleeting mixing in with the rain at times during heavier showers..temps down a bit on the mtn.

 

Quick look at the 12Z NAM suggests a rather rotten warm nose present late tonight through 8 AM tomorrow as cold air advection comes in from below suggesting the possibility of a period of potential significant ice/sleet prior to a change over to snow over various elevations. If this occurs..there would be little snow outside of the upslope snow event.  See attached for 9Z tomorrow morning...warm nose between 700 and 800 mb..enough to melt any snowflakes from above.

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