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even if october ends up +4 and november +2 I still don't think that would put it near the top of the list of warmest falls

2011 averaged 59.7 and is in 12th place...1982 averaged 59.1...September 2013 averaged 67.9...If October averages 60.0 (which is a possibility) and November averages 50.0 it would make the top 20 warmest falls at 59.3...

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Uncle W...I'm just a bit confused. I found September to be coolish and looking at the long range, I highly suspect that the second half of October will be coolish and make up for the early warmth.

 

 

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2011 averaged 59.7 and is in 12th place...1982 averaged 59.1...September 2013 averaged 67.9...If October averages 60.0 (which is a possibility) and November averages 50.0 it would make the top 20 warmest falls at 59.3...

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Uncle W...I'm just a bit confused. I found September to be coolish and looking at the long range, I highly suspect that the second half of October will be coolish and make up for the early warmth.

 

 

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yes it does look coolish...I was using NYC departures...Lets hope October ends up on the cool side...

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Total Snowfall

2000-01 through 2012-13 (Last 13 Years)

Boston / Logan Airport: 620.9 inches / average 47.76 inches

Brookhaven Lab, L.I. / Upton: 538.6 inches / average 41.43 inches

New York City / Central Park: 410.1 inches / average 31.55 inches

Philadelphia / International Airport: 321.9 inches / average 24.76 inches

Baltimore / BWI Airport: 253.0 inches / average 19.46 inches

Washington / Reagan Airport: 182.7 inches / average 14.05 inches

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when you guys are slobbering over negative departures next week i'll remember how quiet this place got for today's just as impressive (if not more so) positive departures

 

I like that, if the negatives were as low as some of the positive days we saw this month, everyone would have a field day. It's been remarkably warm this month with probably only 2007 being more extreme. It'll add a certain shock value even if temperatures are near or slightly below normal. I know the public will think we are in a freezer next week when temps are maybe a couple degrees below the norm.

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I like that, if the negatives were as low as some of the positive days we saw this month, everyone would have a field day. It's been remarkably warm this month with probably only 2007 being more extreme. It'll add a certain shock value even if temperatures are near or slightly below normal. I know the public will think we are in a freezer next week when temps are maybe a couple degrees below the norm.

Yeah we're looking at above normal the next 4 or 5 days then maybe one or two days near -5 through next Thursday. We'll still be running at least +4 by then

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So +3 to +4 is very significant, wasn't July similar with regard to departures? If it were -3 to -4 everyone would make a big deal about it, but warm months like this are pretty much more normal nowadays and we don't even notice it that much. Pretty soon we could see +5 and higher departures in the coming years.

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years when October averaged 60.0 or higher...the 30 year normal winter ave temp is 35.5...So the average of these years is near the 30 year normals but milder than the long term...snowfall is near the 30 normals also...
Year....enso....snowfall....temp....
1900....la nina......9.1".....31.7
1908....neutral...20.3".....36.7
1920....la nina....18.6".....34.9...12.5" snowstorm in NYC late February...
1931....neutral.....5.3".....40.1
1941....neutral...11.3".....32.9...cold wave first half of January...
1946....neutral...30.6".....34.8...Blizzard in Late February
1947....neutral...63.2".....30.0...26" of snow late December...record snow cover...
1949....la nina....11.6".....37.5
1950....la nina....13.8".....35.9
1953....el nino....15.8".....37.4...8" snowstorm in January..
1954....la nina....11.5".....34.0
1961....neutral...18.1".....33.3...10" snowstorm in Newark and Boston on 12/24...
1963....el nino....44.7".....33.3...12.5" blizzard in January...
1968....el nino....30.2".....32.9...15.3" snowstorm in February
1971....la nina....22.9".....35.1...snowy February...
1973....la nina....23.5".....35.5...ice storm in December...
1984....la nina....24.1".....36.4...very cold January
1990....neutral...24.9".....39.2...9" snowstorm late February
1995....la nina....75.6".....32.3...snowiest of all time...
2007....la nina....11.9".....36.4
average.............24.4".....34.9
long term ave.....28.3".....33.5
number.. La.. Ne.. El snow...
60"+.. 2....1....1....0
40"+.. 1....0....0....1
30"+.. 2....0....1....1
20"+.. 5....3....2....0
10"+.. 8....5....2....1
01"+.. 2....1....1....0
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average for enso...
enso....#.....temp snow
la nina 10...35.1....22.3"
neutral 7....35.1....24.9"
el nino 3.....34.5....30.2"
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October will end up averaging 60.0 to 60.2 this year...21st time it will average 60.0 or higher...It also will be one of the driest...1963 was the driest and one of the warmest...November 63 continued on the mild side but became wet....November 30th marked a big change that year...1931 was warm and dry but September was warm also...2013 had a normal September...there are some great neutral years and some bad ones...one extreme or the other...1990-91 had near normal snowfall but was quite mild...If enso stays on the minus side I think December will end up below normal with average snowfall...

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