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Upstate NY/North Country + adjacent ON, QC, VT: Heading into Fall


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Thanks for the invite Ayuud.  I hope this is the right thread to be posting on.  Just getting used to this site.

 

SLED!! Yes, welcome to our forum brother. So nice to have another one join the American crew. Me and Devin migrated over here from WIVB Blog 3 years ago. You'll see that this forum blows away that one in terms of what you can learn. Also no trolls (C from P) There are some incredible Mets here that post quite often. You don't just have to post here, you'll find many of us browsing on the great lakes sub forum or even Massachusetts area that has a very dedicated group of well versed Mets. Welcome aboard! Post a video of the luge you make every year, some of the regulars here have got to see that thing. ^_^

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Thanks for the invite Ayuud.  I hope this is the right thread to be posting on.  Just getting used to this site.

Welcome to the forums John!!!! Great to have another Orchard Park poster on these forums. Youll definitley like it better on here than WIVB! Id still like to come see the luge sometime soon John! Lol.
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What's going on in the Buffalo area?.. Looks like some possible lake enhancement on radar?

 

That's not lake enhancement. It is lift being generated as the system lifts northward. It is shown from this map.

 

http://www.weather.com/maps/maptype/currentweatherusnational/uscurrentweather_large.html

 

The only lake enhancement from this system is tomorrow evening as the coastal system wraps up and winds come out of the Northeast.

 

This initial batch will hit and we will get into a lull for a few hours before the real event hits tomorrow.

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0Z GFS looks like it holds serve...qpf similar to NAM, particularly in the distribution pattern. Biggest drama appears to be for others...NAM and GFS have some differences in evolution that would impact the NYC/CT and DC->PHL areas. KBGM expecting 18:1 ratios on average here.

Of note, 0Z GFS continues to look very promising for CNY & particularly WNY for Monday event...taken verbatim, BGM to ALB are a mix or RN to SN but everyone else stays white. It's only 96 hours out and we'd be microanalyzing the Mon event were it not for tomorrow's system.

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0Z GFS looks like it holds serve...qpf similar to NAM, particularly in the distribution pattern. Biggest drama appears to be for others...NAM and GFS have some differences in evolution that would impact the NYC/CT and DC->PHL areas. KBGM expecting 18:1 ratios on average here.

Of note, 0Z GFS continues to look very promising for CNY & particularly WNY for Monday event...taken verbatim, BGM to ALB are a mix or RN to SN but everyone else stays white. It's only 96 hours out and we'd be microanalyzing the Mon event were it not for tomorrow's system.

Canadian looks similar also..Lets see if euro caves in.

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Canadian looks similar also..Lets see if euro caves in.

Razor thin margin for us to stay SN...and 2-3 days of modelolegy in front of us...I continue to favor more progressive systems based on pattern thusfar this winter, so hopefully this next system rounds the trough base at a low enough latitude and moves along smartly.

Also...Op GFS wants to relax the pattn for a few days mid month but goes back in the tank after that, with more of the same...PNA and eastern trough. Looks fairly relentless to me.

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I'm up to 4",here is the latest AFD out of BUF.

 

 

WILL UPGRADE MUCH OF THE FORECAST AREA TO A WINTER STORM WARNING
FOR PROLONGED SNOW...DEVELOPING STRONGER WIND WITH BLOWING AND
DRIFTING SNOW...AND DANGEROUSLY COLD WIND CHILLS LATER TODAY AND
TONIGHT.

THE REGIONAL RADAR MOSAIC SHOWS A DEVELOPING WINTER STORM MOVING
EAST ALONG AND NORTH OF THE OHIO RIVER THE SOUTHCENTRAL AND EASTER
GREAT LAKES. THERE HAVE BEEN A SERIES OF IMPULSES PRODUCING HIGHER
SNOWFALL AND STRONGER RADAR RETURNS THROUGH THE OVERNIGHT HOURS...
AND THIS TREND IS EXPECTED TO AMPLIFY AS THE DAY PROGRESSES.

A CLOSE LOOK OT SOME OF THE MORE ESOTERIC MODEL PARAMETERS INDICATES
THAT THIS WINTER STORM WILL LIKELY BE CHARACTERIZED BY ITS
PERSISTENT BANDS OF HEAVIER AND LONG SWATH OF COVERAGE...A
CONDITIONAL SYMMETRIC INSTABILITY (CSI) EVENT. A CROSS SECTION FROM
LAKE ONTARIO TO NORTHERN PENNSYLVANIA SHOWS A WELL DEFINED TIME
PERIOD OF NEGATIVE EQUIVALENT POTENTIAL VORTICITY FROM NORTHERN PA
TO WESTERN AND CENTRAL NY...ELEVATED FROM ABOUT 850MB TO 500
MB...COINCIDENT WITH A SOUTH TO NORTH SLANTED BAND OF VERTICAL
MOTION (OMEGA). THIS AREA OF ENHANCED LIFT IS WITHIN A DEEP MOIST
LAYER...NEARLY SATURATED AND ISOTHERMAL TO A MOIST ADIABATIC LAPSE
RATE...AND JUST NORTH OF A STRENGTHENING 160KT+ JET CORE
ANTICYCLONICALLY CURVED ACROSS THE APPALACHIANS TO SOUTHERN NEW
ENGLAND. WATER VAPOR IMAGERY SHOWS THE SOUTHERN BRANCH JET STREAK
AND THE ENHANCED COOLING CLOUD TOPS OVER THE JUST NORTH OF THE BAND
OF STEADY SNOW. ONE LAST ADDITIONAL THING TO CONSIDER...THE COLD AIR
ACROSS THE STILL OPEN AND RELATIVELY WARM WATERS OF LAKE ONTARIO
WILL PICKING UP SOME MOISTURE AND THUS POTENTIAL ENERGY TO SUPPLY
THE MID LEVEL SNOW MACHINE WITH ADDITIONAL FUEL...THUS A BAND OF
HIGHER SNOW AMOUNT ALONG THE SOUTH SHORE OF LAKE ONTARIO TO THE
HIGHER TERRAIN INLAND. THE HEAVIER SNOW TODAY IS EXPECTED TO OCCUR
FROM MID MORNING THROUGH EARLY TO MID AFTERNOON. HEAVIER AND MORE
STEADY SNOW WILL DIMINISH QUICKLY FROM WEST TO EAST AS THE
ASSOCIATED SURFACE LOW CROSSES PENNSYLVANIA LATER IN THE DAY THROUGH
THE EVENING. SNOWY CONDITIONS ARE EXPECTED TO LINGER THROUGH THE
NIGHT WITH THE TEMPERATURES PLUMMETING AND WINDS INCREASING...
CREATING DANGEROUSLY COLD WIND CHILLS.

AS THE SURFACE LOW ASSOCIATED WITH THIS WINTER STORM PASSES TO OUR
SOUTH...NORTHEASTERLY WINDS WILL STRENGTHEN INTO THE 15 TO 20 MPH
RANGE WITH GUSTS AS HIGH AS 35 MPH POSSIBLE NEAR THE LAKE ONTARIO
SHORELINE. THIS WILL RESULT IN THE ADDED DIFFICULTY OF
BLOWING/DRIFTING SNOW...PARTICULARLY TOWARDS LAKE ONTARIO. IN
ADDITION...THE INCREASING WINDS COUPLED WITH INCREASING COLD
ADVECTION THAT WILL KEEP AFTERNOON HIGHS DEPRESSED INTO THE LOW
TEENS TO SINGLE DIGITS WILL PRODUCE DANGEROUS WIND CHILLS IN THAT
COULD DIP AS LOW AS 10 BELOW ZERO AND AS MUCH AS 25 BELOW ZERO
ACROSS THE NORTH COUNTRY. WIND CHILLS WILL WORSEN OVERNIGHT WITH
WIND CHILLS OF -30 TO -40 ACROSS THE NORTH COUNTRY AND -15 TO -20
OVER THE REST OF THE FORECAST AREA.
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SLED!! Yes, welcome to our forum brother. So nice to have another one join the American crew. Me and Devin migrated over here from WIVB Blog 3 years ago. You'll see that this forum blows away that one in terms of what you can learn. Also no trolls (C from P) There are some incredible Mets here that post quite often. You don't just have to post here, you'll find many of us browsing on the great lakes sub forum or even Massachusetts area that has a very dedicated group of well versed Mets. Welcome aboard! Post a video of the luge you make every year, some of the regulars here have got to see that thing. ^_^

Thanks BuffaloWeather.  I will post a clip or two if that's allowed here.  I must say though, I feel a certain loyalty to wivb since they're the ones that made my luge go viral.  Kinda feel like I'm cheating. lol  But a trolless forum does sound nice.

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Welcome to the forums John!!!! Great to have another Orchard Park poster on these forums. Youll definitley like it better on here than WIVB! Id still like to come see the luge sometime soon John! Lol.

I hope you do stop by this year Devin.  It would be nice to meet you in person.

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For those that don't know me, I build a luge in my yard every year.  It made national news 5 years ago.  Since then, it's gotten much bigger.   This year should out do any other.  As soon as construction is done, I'll post a video of it. Here is one of my favorite clips from 3 years ago.   

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_hti_6q02A

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Picked up 3" overnight... thinking it was lake enhanced? Judging by the look of the radar? Brrrrrr it's cold out i know that 7* out. Very very fine flakes coming down now. Was surprised when i got up to see the fresh snow.

That's a great start.. Only a little over 1" here.  You may do a little better than me on this one.  Good luck and keep us posted!

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Pretty uniform 3-5" across the region so far.  Only exception is Rochester area, which looks to be cashing in on lake enhancement.  

 

NOUS41 KBUF 021429
PNSBUF
NYZ001>008-010>014-019>021-085-030229-

PUBLIC INFORMATION STATEMENT
SPOTTER REPORTS
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE BUFFALO NY
929 AM EST THU JAN 02 2014

**********************24 HOUR SNOWFALL**********************

LOCATION 24 HOUR TIME/DATE COMMENTS
SNOWFALL OF
/INCHES/ MEASUREMENT

NEW YORK

...ALLEGANY COUNTY...
4 SW WEST ALMOND 4.8 800 AM 1/02 COCORAHS
1 E WHITESVILLE 2.4 729 AM 1/02 CO-OP OBSERVER
1 S WELLSVILLE 2.3 500 AM 1/02 CO-OP OBSERVER
W WELLSVILLE 2.2 430 AM 1/02 COCORAHS

...CATTARAUGUS COUNTY...
SE WEST VALLEY 5.0 700 AM 1/02 COCORAHS
5 N ALLEGANY 3.0 700 AM 1/02 COCORAHS
1 ENE RANDOLPH 3.0 730 AM 1/02 COCORAHS
1 NE OLEAN 2.1 800 AM 1/02 COCORAHS
1 WSW OLEAN 2.0 730 AM 1/02 CO-OP OBSERVER

...CAYUGA COUNTY...
8 SSE AUBURN 1.9 600 AM 1/02 COCORAHS

...CHAUTAUQUA COUNTY...
4 SSW RIPLEY 5.5 600 AM 1/02 COCORAHS
1 S DUNKIRK 3.2 1200 AM 1/02 CO-OP OBSERVER
4 ENE JAMESTOWN 2.7 700 AM 1/02 CO-OP OBSERVER
3 SSE FREWSBURG 1.8 630 AM 1/02 COCORAHS

...ERIE COUNTY...
2 W WEST SENECA 4.5 730 AM 1/02 COCORAHS
3 E WILLIAMSVILLE 4.1 700 AM 1/02 COCORAHS
2 S WALES 4.0 700 AM 1/02 CO-OP OBSERVER
ESE KENMORE 4.0 540 AM 1/02 COCORAHS
1 N ORCHARD PARK 4.0 700 AM 1/02 COCORAHS
2 NE BOSTON 4.0 630 AM 1/02 COCORAHS
3 N BUFFALO 3.8 600 AM 1/02 SOCIAL MEDIA
1 NW WILLIAMSVILLE 3.7 800 AM 1/02 COCORAHS
3 NE CHEEKTOWAGA 3.7 700 AM 1/02 COCORAHS
4 SSE BUFFALO 3.7 645 AM 1/02 COCORAHS
BUFFALO 3.7 700 AM 1/02 NWS OFFICE
3 WSW ELMA 3.6 700 AM 1/02 COCORAHS
1 W LAKE VIEW 3.6 830 AM 1/02 COCORAHS
2 SE GLENWOOD 3.5 800 AM 1/02 COCORAHS
1 N CLARENCE CENTER 3.4 700 AM 1/02 COCORAHS
1 WNW EAST AMHERST 3.3 740 AM 1/02 COCORAHS
ENE EAST AURORA 3.1 700 AM 1/02 COCORAHS
4 N BUFFALO 3.0 700 AM 1/02 COCORAHS
2 SSW BLASDELL 3.0 700 AM 1/02 COCORAHS
WSW HAMBURG 3.0 700 AM 1/02 COCORAHS
5 NNE AMHERST 2.7 800 AM 1/02 COCORAHS

...GENESEE COUNTY...
5 S BATAVIA 4.5 700 AM 1/02 COCORAHS
20 PAVILION 4.4 700 AM 1/02 CO-OP OBSERVER
2 NE STAFFORD 3.7 800 AM 1/02 COCORAHS

...LEWIS COUNTY...
HIGHMARKET 1.2 424 AM 1/02 CO-OP OBSERVER

...LIVINGSTON COUNTY...
AVON 3.9 744 AM 1/02 CO-OP OBSERVER
4 WSW DANSVILLE 3.3 700 AM 1/02 COCORAHS

...MONROE COUNTY...
GREECE 9.0 700 AM 1/02 TRAINED SPOTTER
5 WNW ROCHESTER 8.8 700 AM 1/02 COCORAHS
6 ESE ROCHESTER 6.0 800 AM 1/02 COCORAHS
ROCHESTER INTL ARPT 3.7 700 AM 1/02 ASOS

...NIAGARA COUNTY...
3 NE YOUNGSTOWN 4.5 700 AM 1/02 CO-OP OBSERVER
1 NE LOCKPORT 4.2 700 AM 1/02 COCORAHS
3 ENE LOCKPORT 4.0 700 AM 1/02 COCORAHS
2 NE NORTH TONAWANDA 3.5 700 AM 1/02 COCORAHS
6 E NIAGARA FALLS 2.7 700 AM 1/02 CO-OP OBSERVER
1 NNE NORTH TONAWAND 2.0 700 AM 1/02 COCORAHS
1 NE PENDLETON 1.8 700 AM 1/02 COCORAHS

...ONTARIO COUNTY...
3 W GENEVA 2.1 800 AM 1/02 CO-OP OBSERVER
HONEOYE 2.0 837 AM 1/02 CO-OP OBSERVER

...OSWEGO COUNTY...
W FULTON 7.0 800 AM 1/02 COCORAHS
2 SSE PALERMO 6.8 600 AM 1/02 CO-OP OBSERVER
7 NNE PHOENIX 6.8 600 AM 1/02 COCORAHS
SE MINETTO 5.9 800 AM 1/02 COCORAHS
5 ESE OSWEGO 1.5 600 AM 1/02 COCORAHS

...WAYNE COUNTY...
2 SW WALWORTH 5.1 700 AM 1/02 COCORAHS
3 ESE MACEDON 2.6 708 AM 1/02 COCORAHS
1 E NEWARK 2.1 700 AM 1/02 CO-OP OBSERVER

...WYOMING COUNTY...
6 SW WARSAW 3.0 700 AM 1/02 CO-OP OBSERVER
3 N SILVER SPRINGS 2.0 700 AM 1/02 CO-OP OBSERVER

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For those that don't know me, I build a luge in my yard every year.  It made national news 5 years ago.  Since then, it's gotten much bigger.   This year should out do any other.  As soon as construction is done, I'll post a video of it. Here is one of my favorite clips from 3 years ago.   

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_hti_6q02A

 

Thanks for the posts sled nice to have you aboard! Your luge video would go much more viral here than on WIVB Tbh. Probably since C from P makes up 70% of that blog with his various names. ^_^

 

Me and Devin will have to stop by sometime to go on the luge!

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Thanks for the posts sled nice to have you aboard! Your luge video would go much more viral here than on WIVB Tbh. Probably since C from P makes up 70% of that blog with his various names. ^_^

Me and Devin will have to stop by sometime to go on the luge!

Me and C from P will also pay a visit hahahahha :arrowhead:

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I had 3" as of 7am just N of SYR..the KBUF snowfall map looks better than KBGM up this way...6-8" in northern Onondaga looks too low. 10-14" probably closer to what will verify based on eyeballing radar. We've prob had another 2-3" since i measured at my house.

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