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Atlantic Tropical Action 2013 - Part 2


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NWS Puerto Rico radar, significant evidence of some type of circulation and when combined with recon data may lead to Code Red or TD.

 

http://radar.weather.gov/radar.php?rid=JUA&product=NCR&overlay=11101111&loop=yes

Pretty good evidence of some type of inner core trying to develp per that radar. Bright banding close to the center.

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Surface winds coming in now, gotta be close to a TD.

 

There is a definite circulation, looks pretty decent on visible.

 

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/TROP/floaters/97L/flash-vis-short.html

The outflow is almost perfectly symmetrical; chances of cane are at 50/50 imo; the conservative ECMFW develops a high-end Tropical Storm. I do not know if it is completely tropical however. There are also indications that the long-range pattern is in the process of changing to persistent ridging in Eastern North America.

 

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At least we have the fat fish to look forward to! 

 

:axe:

 

 A TROPICAL WAVE OVER AFRICA IS EXPECTED TO MOVE OVER THE FAR EASTERN

ATLANTIC OCEAN IN A FEW DAYS. SOME DEVELOPMENT OF THIS SYSTEM IS

POSSIBLE OVER THE WEEKEND. THIS SYSTEM HAS A LOW CHANCE...NEAR 0

PERCENT...OF BECOMING A TROPICAL CYCLONE DURING THE NEXT 48

HOURS...AND A LOW CHANCE...20 PERCENT...OF BECOMING A TROPICAL

CYCLONE DURING THE NEXT 5 DAYS

 

attachicon.gifgfs_mslp_sig_eatl_tropical_65.png

Why is that an auto fish? As modeled you have decent ridging to the north, at least in that time frame.

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Center near some very deep convection, 41kt at 970mb, the SFMR readings are obviously very inflated because of very heavy rain rates

192900 1700N 06528W 9700 00358 0109 +215 +215 107029 031 039 036 00
192930 1700N 06530W 9697 00359 0108 +217 +217 101031 033 052 046 00
193000 1700N 06531W 9711 00348 0104 +218 +218 097035 036 058 044 00
193030 1700N 06533W 9700 00353 0104 +215 +215 099038 040 065 031 00
193100 1700N 06535W 9704 00350 0106 +215 +215 091037 041 058 023 00
193130 1700N 06537W 9708 00347 0108 +205 //// 076024 031 037 015 05
193200 1659N 06538W 9696 00355 0107 +204 //// 069021 023 033 011 01
193230 1658N 06539W 9706 00350 0107 +215 +215 066021 022 035 010 00
193300 1656N 06539W 9706 00349 0105 +213 //// 063021 023 047 013 01
193330 1655N 06540W 9702 00351 0105 +215 +215 065020 022 038 019 00
193400 1653N 06541W 9713 00352 0098 +215 +215 077010 016 050 032 00
193430 1652N 06541W 9701 00351 0102 +215 +215 094010 013 049 031 03
193500 1650N 06542W 9699 00350 0101 +217 +217 091005 010 053 041 00
193530 1649N 06542W 9708 00342 0101 +222 +222 048006 008 049 032 03
193600 1648N 06543W 9741 00316 0098 +231 +231 153001 007 022 010 00
193630 1646N 06543W 9776 00283 //// +230 //// 282002 004 017 006 01
193700 1645N 06544W 9762 00295 //// +229 //// 239003 004 009 002 01
193730 1643N 06544W 9778 00279 //// +230 //// 203005 006 003 002 05
193800 1642N 06544W 9774 00282 //// +230 //// 199006 007 003 000 05
193830 1640N 06545W 9774 00284 //// +233 //// 205007 007 002 000 01
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Why is that an auto fish? As modeled you have decent ridging to the north, at least in that time frame.

It would be at approx 20N, 33W according to those model depictions.  I recall Don S doing a study once at Eastern that showed how rare a tropical system was that made it all the way to the US Mainland from anywhere north and east of 20N, 60W.  This is progged to be 27 degrees further EAST than that line in the sand.  Ain't gonna make it.

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Why is that an auto fish? As modeled you have decent ridging to the north, at least in that time frame.

 

Meh, both the ECMWF and GFS show this future system reaching 20N before 40W. It's just that very few systems (if any) that have been that far north that far east have reached the islands, much less the CONUS.

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Hmm lol

19:30:30Z 17.000N 65.550W 970.0 mb

(~ 28.64 inHg) 353 meters

(~ 1,158 feet) 1010.4 mb

(~ 29.84 inHg) - From 99° at 38 knots

(From the E at ~ 43.7 mph) 21.5°C

(~ 70.7°F) 21.5°C

(~ 70.7°F) 40 knots

(~ 46.0 mph) 65 knots

(~ 74.8 mph) 31 mm/hr

(~ 1.22 in/hr) 61.8 knots (~ 71.0 mph)

Tropical Storm 162.5%

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Meh, both the ECMWF and GFS show this future system reaching 20N before 40W. It's just that very few systems (if any) that have been that far north that far east have reached the islands, much less the CONUS.

 

 

It would be at approx 20N, 33W according to those model depictions.  I recall Don S doing a study once at Eastern that showed how rare a tropical system was that made it all the way to the US Mainland from anywhere north and east of 20N, 60W.  This is progged to be 27 degrees further EAST than that line in the sand.  Ain't gonna make it.

I know how rare it is for any CV system to make it all the way to the US mainland. I was simply stating that as currently progged it's not an automatic fish yet.

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Hmm lol

19:30:30Z 17.000N 65.550W 970.0 mb

(~ 28.64 inHg) 353 meters

(~ 1,158 feet) 1010.4 mb

(~ 29.84 inHg) - From 99° at 38 knots

(From the E at ~ 43.7 mph) 21.5°C

(~ 70.7°F) 21.5°C

(~ 70.7°F) 40 knots

(~ 46.0 mph) 65 knots

(~ 74.8 mph) 31 mm/hr

(~ 1.22 in/hr) 61.8 knots (~ 71.0 mph)

Tropical Storm 162.5%

Their was just another big burst of deep convection very close to the progged center.

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I know how rare it is for any CV system to make it all the way to the US mainland. I was simply stating that as currently progged it's not an automatic fish yet.

I understand what you are saying about current depictions, but any storm that far north and that far east really is an automatic fish according to climo on storms at such a position historically.  I would tend to think the models will eventually make a fish out of this.

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I know how rare it is for any CV system to make it all the way to the US mainland. I was simply stating that as currently progged it's not an automatic fish yet.

 

As currently progged verbatim, it's 99.99% likely to be fish.

 

That said, if the system ends up weaker than progged in the east Atlantic (certainly a possibility given the conditions this year), the chances of fish will decrease significantly.

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As currently progged verbatim, it's 99.99% likely to be fish.

 

That said, if the system ends up weaker than progged in the east Atlantic (certainly a possibility given the conditions this year), the chances of fish will decrease significantly.

Several of the 12z GEFS members have a very late recurve, some of them actually making landfall in Nova Scotia.

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