HIPPYVALLEY Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 Bulk of it fell overnight Saturday night into Sunday morning...another lucky break on the timing of that one. Can you imagine that one coming in during a Wed. morning commute? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 Yeah, no big deal No one said it was no big deal. Are you daft? get with the program will you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 Can you imagine that one coming in during a Wed. morning commute? Yeah that would have been more disruptive had it been timed differently...same with Feb last winter. We've lucked out quite a bit over the years with the timing of big storms. 1978 was the perfect storm of timing and poor prediction (predicted to start gradually versus a wall of S+ that came in)....the storms that come in like a wall of S+ are the ones that always are the most disruptive. That's what happened on 12/13/07 even that storm was merely a 6-10" moderate snowstorm by the numbers. But the way it happened made for a disaster situation on the roadways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 1978 really wasn't a historical storm outside of LI and the southeast 2/3rds of SNE...it was pretty local, albeit monstrous for the area it hit. A storm like March 1993 absolutely blows 1978 out of the water in terms of larger scale impact...its just that 1978 was a bigger deal in SNE so its the measuring stick for all winter storms amongst our population. March 1993 should blow 1978 out of the water in terms of impact if we are talking bigger than regional storms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 What about using minimum low pressure achieved or something other than subjective reasoning to compare the storms? But it seems we are also talking about impact which doesn't really count in the "event budget"...ie it seems the big storms mentioned hit huge population centers. Sandy hits the Carolinas and not the northeast population centers, we probably wouldn't talk about it as much. Katrina would be devastating anywhere, but probably wouldn't hold the same weight if it didn't hit New Orleans. An "event budget" or "these types of storms only come around once every X-years" should probably include similar storms that were either near misses or hit unpopulated areas (but were still a beast of a storm)...if we are truly just comparing storm strength, there are probably other events of that ilk as well...we just don't talk about them because of the lack of impact on population centers. Love this post of yours. Great points. I really firmly believe your last paragraph is the most scientifically responsible post in this debate, and I appreciate it. It's exactly how I think on these matters. Anyway, can we all just step back and ask the question: would it be interesting to see a climatology of (specifically) big systems, from which, frequency in deference to region is gleaned?? That's really all I wanted... Instead, we started this soap opera about defending the sanctity of last Feb. You know what, I don't even care. Put it on the list if people want. We are still looking at 8 months of desolation in storm population. I tell you what... The Cleveland Superbomb of Jan 25-28, 1978 is king. It was MORE powerful than 1993, AND, it stalled. good christ. That storm sank to 953mb, stronger than a Category 2 hurricane. I lived through 30" of snow in 90mph wind gust for 3 days. May parents were terrified; even at the tender age I could read it in their eyes. As far as that goes, what f was the deal with 1978? Lord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 Love this post of yours. Great points. I really firmly believe your last paragraph is the most scientifically responsible post in this debate, and I appreciate it. It's exactly how I think on these matters. Anyway, can we all just step back and ask the question: would it be interesting to see a climatology of (specifically) big systems, from which, frequency in deference to region is gleaned?? That's really all I wanted... Instead, we started this soap opera about defending the sanctity of last Feb. You know what, I don't even care. Put it on the list if people want. We are still looking at 8 months of desolation in storm population. I tell you what... The Cleveland Superbomb of Jan 25-28, 1978 is king. It was MORE powerful than 1993, AND, it stalled. good christ. That storm sank to 953mb, stronger than a Category 2 hurricane. I lived through 30" of snow in 90mph wind gust for 3 days. May parents were terrified; even at the tender age I could read it in their eyes. As far as that goes, what f was the deal with 1978? Lord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 Absolutely sick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey2002 Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 Yeah, no big deal In B&W these would look like historic pics from the 1900s... where were they taken? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 WOW. That takes the cake. Obviously we don't discuss it much if at all because it didn't hit New England, but wow. I just google searched it and that is probably the Mac Daddy of them all, at least in terms of storms east of the Mississippi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted September 27, 2013 Author Share Posted September 27, 2013 You'll get no argument from me that its been boring since the end of last winter...this year's convective season was a massive bust...even for SNE standards, and TC season has been non-existent for the most part. I don't mind...it sometimes makes me feel we are "due" once winter comes along, even though I doesn't have to work that way.The May Miller B was a great storm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted September 27, 2013 Author Share Posted September 27, 2013 WOW. That takes the cake. Obviously we don't discuss it much if at all because it didn't hit New England, but wow. I just google searched it and that is probably the Mac Daddy of them all, at least in terms of storms east of the Mississippi. 1888 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 Interesting runs last night. Euro ensembles west of the op. GFS came on board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 I feel like the GFS op may be a little aggressive. Just looping H5, that vort lobe seems like it may be leading the way in an unrealistic manner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 Euro ensemble precip seems rather bullish for SE MA and esp Cape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneypitmike Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 No, we have not had a killing frost...so we'll call it "pseudo Indian Summer" to make the semantic folks happy. Let's just call it a warm day and be done with it. WRT to the sillly debate of how to classify last year's storm, I offer the following. There's the objective observer that sits there and ooh and aah over photos from other areas (whether it's of a tornado outbreak in the plains or a snowstorm in Japan). Then there's the subjective observer who sits in the event and experiences it first hand. The person who loses a loved one or a home in an isolated tornado in Oklahoma will experience the worst storm of their lives while it makes scant news in the national media. Do folks on the Jersey shore look at their destroyed homes and say, meh, it was only a Cat 1. I thnk not. The once in a lifetime Blizz/Gynx storm is measured by the impact it had on them. Those outside can say 'ooh and ahh'. But for those who had to dig out from it, who cares what it's 'measured' by? You get to sit back and say I had the most snow I'll ever see in a single storm from that one and tell the stories about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJonesWX Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 Steve, why does it always have to be about "right here"? meaning SNE?? SNE is a meso-beta scaled region. It's IMBY to think of the atmosphere in that way. I was talking (premise) about an ilk of event that last Feb doesn't fit into -- it just doesn't. But I did just give a nod to Will in terms of disruptions to us. I don't like that though. i am steve, but you were addressing ginxy. anyway, the answer to your question that it has to be about SNE is that most of us in the forum are IN SNE. that is the region we care about. yes I realize there are mets and hobbyists in the SNE forum who are more into the atmospheric/global meteorology, but i would argue that the majority of ppl here care mostly about their back yard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneypitmike Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 I feel like the GFS op may be a little aggressive. Just looping H5, that vort lobe seems like it may be leading the way in an unrealistic manner. I'd be losing it if were December and the GFS was showing what it's showing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 Hell on Earth next week. Hell on Earth Looks like a strong fropa day 9 or 10 though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 Hell on Earth next week. Hell on Earth Looks like a strong fropa day 9 or 10 though No it isn't. Just fine. Hopefully the low comes close enough for this area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 No it isn't. Just fine. Hopefully the low comes close enough for this area. We were told all week it won't. It would be a miss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weathafella Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 Hell on Earth next week. Hell on Earth Looks like a strong fropa day 9 or 10 though Calm down ranger....lots only roctober. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 We were told all week it won't. It would be a miss Well it's still early, but might be not much..especially for you. Seems like the Cape at least will get brushed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 Calm down ranger....lots only roctober. Will your skin be damaged from wearing shorts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 Looks like another bust on temps/forecasts today with clouds most of the day. Barely 60 yesterday ..maybe same today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baroclinic Zone Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 Euro ensemble precip seems rather bullish for SE MA and esp Cape. I think we see precip clip CC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 I hope it stays in the 70's and 80's all through October and much of November then have winter start right around Thanksgiving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalcottWx Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 In B&W these would look like historic pics from the 1900s... where were they taken? Top is a block away from my house. East 8th Street South Boston. Bottom is Hull, MA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 I may lose it. Yesterday's 11pm news said we should wake up to sun. Now NWS is going back to mostly cloudy, at least the first half of the day. Cloudy day after cloudy day. "&& Near term /until 8 PM this evening/... as of 725 am EDT Friday...stratus deck persisting over the north country...with exception of slv. A couple of breaks within the cloud shield developing this morning. Have adjusted forecast to current surface and satellite observation...including mostly cloudy wording for most of the area." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted September 27, 2013 Author Share Posted September 27, 2013 I may lose it. Yesterday's 11pm news said we should wake up to sun. Now NWS is going back to mostly cloudy, at least the first half of the day. Cloudy day after cloudy day. "&& Near term /until 8 PM this evening/... as of 725 am EDT Friday...stratus deck persisting over the north country...with exception of slv. A couple of breaks within the cloud shield developing this morning. Have adjusted forecast to current surface and satellite observation...including mostly cloudy wording for most of the area." shorts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropopause_Fold Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 cloud deck was well handled by the nam and some of its offspring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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