September weather discussion

[Typhoon Tip]

On this you are met clad wrong. Heh

 

You're lovable clown trying to exclaim fact amid an idiocracy...

 

That Feb storm was a 3 on the NESDIS scale.    3! you dingaling

 

By "event" we are talking more than just number of snow inches IMBY CT.    We are talking greater coastal impacts than up this way.  We are talking true history. 

[Damage In Tolland]

You're lovable clown trying to exclaim fact amid an idiocracy...

That Feb storm was a 3 on the NESDIS scale. 3! you dingaling

By "event" we are talking more than just number of snow inches IMBY CT. We are talking greater coastal impacts than up this way. We are talking true history.

Johnny, all the mets and many hobby horses in this thread have disproved your conjecture . It was one of the top 3 storms region wide in history. Met clad. Clad met

[Typhoon Tip]

Tip your original claim was that we have not had a blockbuster since Sandy, you were dead wrong dude. Low impact , nah

 

No, that was not what I was talking about  -- and, as usual, you skipped what I was talking about, and went to a knee-jerk reaction that is completely OFF what I was talking about.

 

Get this through your head:   Feb was a great storm  that is me saying that.  

 

As was the case when the point was first made, you are confusing the type of event I was discussing, with whether there was any event at all.   Until you acknowledge you actually read this statement and demonstrate a modicum of comprehension to it, I'm done...

 

NESDIS 3...  Not upper tier.   

[Ginx snewx]

You're lovable clown trying to exclaim fact amid an idiocracy...

 

That Feb storm was a 3 on the NESDIS scale.    3! you dingaling

 

By "event" we are talking more than just number of snow inches IMBY CT.    We are talking greater coastal impacts than up this way.  We are talking true history. 

so you take a snow scale impact scale .......

[Typhoon Tip]

Johnny, all the mets and many hobby horses in this thread have disproved your conjecture . It was one of the top 3 storms region wide in history. Met clad. Clad met

 

 

No one has disproved anything.  That is the frustrating part... All they have come back with is in fact, conjecture - which doesn't prove anything.  It just perpetuates your collective delusion on matter.  

 

NESDIS OF 3.   TOO LOCALIZED TO BE A HISTORIC EVENT OF THE ILK IN BUDGET HISTORY.   

[Typhoon Tip]

so you take a snow scale impact scale .......

 

 

It's part of it ... but you skipped the part where I said the coastal impact were too local to our geography.  

[Ginx snewx]

No, that was not what I was talking about  -- and, as usual, you skipped what I was talking about, and went to a knee-jerk reaction that is completely OFF what I was talking about.

 

Get this through your head:   Feb was a great storm  that is me saying that.  

 

As was the case when the point was first made, you are confusing the type of event I was discussing, with whether there was any event at all.   Until you acknowledge you actually read this statement and demonstrate a modicum of comprehension to it, I'm done...

 

NESDIS 3...  Not upper tier.   

[Typhoon Tip]

 

No, that was not what I was talking about  -- and, as usual, you skipped what I was talking about, and went to a knee-jerk reaction that is completely OFF what I was talking about.

 

Get this through your head:   Feb was a great storm  that is me saying that.  

 

As was the case when the point was first made, you are confusing the type of event I was discussing, with whether there was any event at all.   Until you acknowledge you actually read this statement and demonstrate a modicum of comprehension to it, I'm done...

 

NESDIS 3...  Not upper tier.   

 

 

 

Ha ha!   That's an awesome picture... 

 

I like this map someone threw up on Wiki:

 

[Ginx snewx]

yphoon Tip, on 21 Sept 2013 - 3:54 PM, said:

It's really been since Sandy that anything "exciting" has struck eastern N/A, and Sandy was just a pedestrian rainy windy day up N of the south coast. Though we did get clocked by a couple powerful nor'easters up in SNE in the winter. 

About those...in deference to a kind of event frequency/budget .. those were quite local to SNE actually, and they were not quite in the top 5 in terms of hardship/impacting. In fairness, I don't think we can just look at snow totals and say, "Up! it's a top 5," because while that may be true, what was the real "impact".

They were over and done with in 12 to 18 hours in a modern era of COC technologies, and snow removal. A "blockbuster" nor'easter - imho - has to come like 1992 to make the event list. Actually, I'd take that Halloween gig from a couple years ago as our last legit "event" before those two storms last Feb and Mar. 

We don't have to go as extreme as 1993, or 1978, or 1888 -- those ilk of events have a special stratospheric rank and respect. I just don't think the two, twenty inch borderline blizzards last winter were extreme enough, or pervasively impacting enough. I never saw 20" of snow become a non-factor faster in my life than that powder blizzard in February. Poof...2 days and the roads were free and clear. Come on, that doesn't count... Especially the winter on whole. Despite the lofty snow totals overall, the winter was a bit overrated. There was bare ground in Ayer more than 50% of the time, in a year that boasted near or over record snow?! How in F does that happen!? Jesus. 

Anyway, point being...we've been in quite the lull in frequency of important events, and it seems intuitive that if there were ever a climatology of such frequencies, it would tell us we are on average pushing it.

[Damage In Tolland]

No one has disproved anything. That is the frustrating part... All they have come back with is in fact, conjecture - which doesn't prove anything. It just perpetuates your collective delusion on matter.

NESDIS OF 3. TOO LOCALIZED TO BE A HISTORIC EVENT OF THE ILK IN BUDGET HISTORY.

That is not clad . Heh

[Typhoon Tip]

That is not clad . Heh

 

It's more clad than the Kevina scale - 

 

haha.  

 

You know... upon deeper reflection, how stupid is this whole conversation?  I mean, seriously ... Think about this:   There are techniques for ranking events as "1 in a 5 year event",  "1 in a 50" or 1 in 500 ...and so on and so on.  

 

We just need to figure it out, case closed.  If it is a 1 in a 10 year storm BY REGION, then we can expect a repeat in 10 years ... in theory.  If it is a 1 in 50, etc etc.  

 

That storm last Feb really over-achieved for such a small area, and that's part of what makes it troublesome to fairly grade.  Look at NJ, they had almost nothing, albeit windy day when all that stuff was happening up this way.  The biggest atmospheric events in history were more encompassing than that.  Yet, 40" in CT is extreme.

[Typhoon Tip]

 

yphoon Tip, on 21 Sept 2013 - 3:54 PM, said:

 

 

Right "EASTERN N/A", is not the local region of SNE...   again, ad nauseam, you are confusing large catastrophic events with any event at all.  I never ever said that storm wasn't great.   

[Typhoon Tip]

By the way, I have a really hi res loop of the Feb 2013 storm.   American only allows 9 mb file size uploads though, and this puppy is a 90  ...  If anyone has an email that can take a larger size (gmail I think does...) then PM me and I will send it to you.  It's really f cool to watch the phase sped up and in hi def.  

[powderfreak]

The other thing about this that we're kind of dancing around/not considering... It may not actually be fair to compare storms from last century to now. The technology to recover so vastly different that snow can only go so far. For example, some communities in the northern Prefecture Japan don't have a problem with snow whether it snows a 1,000 inches or not, because they've embedded technology in the street temperatures that maintain a temperature just above freezing at all times.

This is key to me...in that snow impact can only be so disruptive these days. A pure snowstorm can only have so much impact and I feel like the "old days" are gone in terms of streets going unplowed for 3+ days or like grid-locked snow caked interstates. I don't think this should diminish the scale we rate these storms by though...snow totals are snow totals.

Things that take snowstorms to new levels are like Oct 2011 when massive tree damage is introduced.

Speaking of Japan, too...there's a couple cities near the ski resorts that get like 500" a year and they have sprinklers over the road that spray hot mist to melt the snow.

[powderfreak]

Tip your original claim was that we have not had a blockbuster since Sandy, you were dead wrong dude. Low impact , nah

Holy crap...where's that photo from?

[Typhoon Tip]

This is key to me...in that snow impact can only be so disruptive these days. A pure snowstorm can only have so much impact and I feel like the "old days" are gone in terms of streets going unplowed for 3+ days or like grid-locked snow caked interstates. I don't think this should diminish the scale we rate these storms by though...snow totals are snow totals.

Things that take snowstorms to new levels are like Oct 2011 when massive tree damage is introduced.

Speaking of Japan, too...there's a couple cities near the ski resorts that get like 500" a year and they have sprinklers over the road that spray hot mist to melt the snow.

 

Imagine if you were a kid living there, reading in the history books this thing called "snow days"?

 

Then, peering out the window, letting your chin rest upon your fist ... dreaming of better times, as the sound of your teacher get drowned out by the din of the day dream.   

[powderfreak]

Who hasn't been wearing them since April? No one has been wearing pants or winter wear yet

I'm sure no one in CT has put pants on yet.

[snowman21]

That storm last Feb really over-achieved for such a small area, and that's part of what makes it troublesome to fairly grade.  Look at NJ, they had almost nothing, albeit windy day when all that stuff was happening up this way.  The biggest atmospheric events in history were more encompassing than that.  Yet, 40" in CT is extreme.

I was on the edge of that gradient. It definitely wasn't historic in this little corner of Connecticut as we barely had more than a foot. I think we ended up with 14 or 15 inches (not even close to PD2) which I would estimage is a once every 2-3 year event, but 10-15 miles east had an additional foot of snow - so a much bigger deal elsewhere. I still wonder about measuring technique and it will bug me any time I see obscene totals thrown up - everyone wants to be on top of the PNS now. I'm sure there were places that fell short of the Boxing Day storm as well.

 

A couple of notes about using NESIS... It is highly biased if we're talking about using it as a global indicator for event impact because by its definition it is only measuring snow events in the Northeast, and the computation itself gives population centers (cities) equal weight to areal coverage. RSI might be a better scale, at least for U.S. snow events. Second, it only accounts for the amount of snow. It says nothing about the damaging and societal impact of high winds, coastal flooding, and beach erosion. Given that most of the population lives along the coast and is vulnerable to such high impact factors, the NESIS falls short in its ability to truly rate a storm.

[weathafella]

I'm looking forward to the warmth. Always nice to revisit shorts and tee shirts one last time.Who hasn't been wearing them since April? No one has been wearing pants or winter wear yet

I see no reason to wear shorts and tee shirt for an 50 degree evening walk. Only white guys who don't care about their skin do that.

[Damage In Tolland]

I see no reason to wear shorts and tee shirt for an 50 degree evening walk. Only white guys who don't care about their skin do that.

Lol what? White guys that don't care about their skin? How is wearing shorts in 50 degree wx going to affect someone's skin? Do you cover your face with a veil?

[forkyfork]

This is key to me...in that snow impact can only be so disruptive these days. A pure snowstorm can only have so much impact and I feel like the "old days" are gone in terms of streets going unplowed for 3+ days or like grid-locked snow caked interstates. I don't think this should diminish the scale we rate these storms by though...snow totals are snow totals.

this was an issue in the nyc area after 12/2010. that's another storm that would have had a much bigger impact if timing was different

[ORH_wxman]

No one has disproved anything.  That is the frustrating part... All they have come back with is in fact, conjecture - which doesn't prove anything.  It just perpetuates your collective delusion on matter.  

 

NESDIS OF 3.   TOO LOCALIZED TO BE A HISTORIC EVENT OF THE ILK IN BUDGET HISTORY.   

 

So was Feb 1978...

 

 

Dec 1992 didn't even register on the NESIS scale, yet it was one of the most disruptive storms for interior SNE elevations...and massive coastal flooding. NESIS is just one measure. It says nothing about how disruptive the storm was in SNE....it only judges the storm as a whole for the Northeast.

[Ginx snewx]

Holy crap...where's that photo from?

me 2/8/13 after a foray into 6 per hour 55 mph run of the mill storm, oh the cars , LI expressway

[HoarfrostHubb]

I see no reason to wear shorts and tee shirt for an 50 degree evening walk. Only white guys who don't care about their skin do that.

I will wear shorts into the 40s if it is not windy. I will wear a long sleeved T or a sweatshirt or hoodie on my walks

[HoarfrostHubb]

me 2/8/13 after a foray into 6 per hour 55 mph run of the mill storm

I recall reading your posts that night/day and being so jealous. I never got the winds or bursts like you CT folks

[Ginx snewx]

I recall reading your posts that night/day and being so jealous. I never got the winds or bursts like you CT folks

and I was on the edge of the really intense stuff, Jan 11 was intense with an 8 per hour with high winds but Feb 13 took the cake. I was in the goods in 78 for hours and hours, a notch below that, 92 was raining and high winds, April fools was stupid insane wet snow, Feb 1983 was awesome for a three hour period. Despite being a small geo area last year is about as good as it gets.

[CoastalWx]

I recall reading your posts that night/day and being so jealous. I never got the winds or bursts like you CT folks

Coast FTW. Interior FTL. We may not have your snowpack, but storms rock here.

[CoastalWx]

Ginxy poo, where did you see fourth

Highest surge? I wanted to Compare that to 12/26/10 and 2/25/10.

[HoarfrostHubb]

and I was on the edge of the really intense stuff, Jan 11 was intense with an 8 per hour with high winds but Feb 13 took the cake. I was in the goods in 78 for hours and hours, a notch below that, 92 was raining and high winds, April fools was stupid insane wet snow, Feb 1983 was awesome for a three hour period. Despite being a small geo area last year is about as good as it gets.

I had hours and hours of blasted crappy grains that took forever to pile up. I should go back and read those threads

[HoarfrostHubb]

Coast FTW. Interior FTL. We may not have your snowpack, but storms rock here.

Yeah. You guys get the winds and wet stuff

I get good events now and then. Oct 2011 for example