HoarfrostHubb Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 I am thinking 39-42 in my hood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Yeah it's clear but like Joey said, there's a slight wind out there. There has to be some clear areas up there...I was noticing SLK and the CT Lakes are in the low 40s. My sensor over in Union is down to 46...colder than you...lol. I think it's all elevation dependent up here right now...SLK and CT Lakes are up in the 1500-2000ft range so low 40s makes sense. Anything 1200ft to 500ft is mid/upper 40s, and below 500ft it's still 50-52F. 5000ft at Whiteface summit is 30F, while Mansfield is 34F at 4000ft. Essentially it looks like this up here from the MesoNet: 5000ft...30F 4000ft...34F 2,100ft...41F 1500ft...44F 1000ft...46F 700ft...48F 300ft...51F Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Wrong storm. That one was a week later. This is the storm...Feb 8-9. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanStWx Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Wrong storm. That one was a week later. This is the storm...Feb 8-9. Ekster was running nude laps around GYX right about now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanStWx Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Well there was some good snows going on across NNE that morning on easterly flow just above the deck. Way back here in NW New England we picked up 10-12" of snow on February 8th before it even started snowing in SNE. Were the Maine accums part of that northern moisture stream, too or was it all more OE in nature? Maine was the only spot to capitalize on both those earlier snows and the bigger snows later on. But that storm actually over-produced up here with a foot in Stowe, even though that was dwarfed by the massive snows in SNE later that evening/night. I think PWM got in on some OE enhancement within a region of more localized WAA. We just ripped that morning at rush hour. I think we hit winter storm warning criteria before the blizzard warning was actually timed to go into effect. You can see from the GYX sounding at 12z that there was a WAA nose in that profile, so it wasn't purely ocean driven. I do remember factoring in that early snow and re-running my snow grids and being amazed that I maxed out my color scale. We never thought we'd need more than 15 inches in a 6 hour snow grid. I agree with Will about the timing though. The early snow was the greater impact because people were actually out and about then. But the bulk of the accumulation happened from midnight to 6 AM up here on Saturday morning. People are asleep, plows have free run on the roads, and you can stay in all weekend while clean up takes place. If that happened midweek, we would have had serious issues. Just true blizzard, cars completely buried in Portland. Our entryway at GYX looked like some Antarctic substation with all the snow that was forced through the outer door frame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 I think PWM got in on some OE enhancement within a region of more localized WAA. We just ripped that morning at rush hour. I think we hit winter storm warning criteria before the blizzard warning was actually timed to go into effect. You can see from the GYX sounding at 12z that there was a WAA nose in that profile, so it wasn't purely ocean driven. I do remember factoring in that early snow and re-running my snow grids and being amazed that I maxed out my color scale. We never thought we'd need more than 15 inches in a 6 hour snow grid. I agree with Will about the timing though. The early snow was the greater impact because people were actually out and about then. But the bulk of the accumulation happened from midnight to 6 AM up here on Saturday morning. People are asleep, plows have free run on the roads, and you can stay in all weekend while clean up takes place. If that happened midweek, we would have had serious issues. Just true blizzard, cars completely buried in Portland. Our entryway at GYX looked like some Antarctic substation with all the snow that was forced through the outer door frame. Having had DOT clients much of my meteorological professional career, I can tell you how much they love snowstorms overnight versus during the day on a business day. They absolutely despise storms during the work day. I always just tell people to look at the difference between 12/13/07 and a storm like February 8-9, 2013 or even the blizzard of 1996 for eastern SNE which came in on a Sunday night. The latter two were way heavier snowfalls and higher impact meteorology from a totally raw standpoint...but 12/13/07 was the one known for the traffic disaster...and its not going to get any mention in a Kocin book like the other two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanStWx Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Having had DOT clients much of my meteorological professional career, I can tell you how much they love snowstorms overnight versus during the day on a business day. They absolutely despise storms during the work day. I always just tell people to look at the difference between 12/13/07 and a storm like February 8-9, 2013 or even the blizzard of 1996 for eastern SNE which came in on a Sunday night. The latter two were way heavier snowfalls and higher impact meteorology from a totally raw standpoint...but 12/13/07 was the one known for the traffic disaster...and its not going to get any mention in a Kocin book like the other two. Exactly. A quick tenth of an inch of ice at 8 AM on a Wednesday could be more impactful than Feb 2013, but in terms of the meteorology Feb 2013 can stand toe to toe with some of the best in New England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Exactly. A quick tenth of an inch of ice at 8 AM on a Wednesday could be more impactful than Feb 2013, but in terms of the meteorology Feb 2013 can stand toe to toe with some of the best in New England. Or snow squalls like in early December '03 that had a disaster outcome on the morning commute. That was on my list of most disasterous commutes until 12/13/07 came along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanStWx Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Or snow squalls like in early December '03 that had a disaster outcome on the morning commute. That was on my list of most disasterous commutes until 12/13/07 came along. Get a good Arctic front to come through with snow squalls. Snow melts on contact, flash freezes behind the front in minutes and you have a skating rink with near 0 visibility. Happened over northeast MA during the winter of '07-'08 I think? Scariest 5 minute commute I ever had up in Lowell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfastx Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 57 currently, but dropping rapidly. Chilly out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 44 for my low Meh Edit. Oops. That is current. My low was 39.7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapturedNature Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 44 for my low Meh Edit. Oops. That is current. My low was 39.7 Currently 40° here which is my low which means I didn't make the 30s so far but we'll see what happens by 7...39° should be probable. Looks like it's 36° over in Union and 600' above me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amarshall Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Or snow squalls like in early December '03 that had a disaster outcome on the morning commute. That was on my list of most disasterous commutes until 12/13/07 came along. 12/13/07 worst commute of all time, hands down. 1000 year commute disaster. NEVER take the side roads out of Boston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneypitmike Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Currently 40° here which is my low which means I didn't make the 30s so far but we'll see what happens by 7...39° should be probable. Looks like it's 36° over in Union and 600' above me. 39.7/38 here. Not much room to drop further. Did better than I'd expected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 41.6 seems to be the low..Looks like the entire week is below normal..Blocking FTW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalcottWx Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Rarely seems our squalls are early morning. Always more late aftn eary evening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Euro ensembles look more zonal for early October again...which makes a bit more sense considering the strong negative anomaly near AK and GOA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Euro ensembles look more zonal for early October again...which makes a bit more sense considering the strong negative anomaly near AK and GOA. Yeah most of us saw this coming. The GEFS backed off the troughing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Likely some bright banding over in nrn ME right now. 850mb temps around -1C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 I'll tell you what, that's a great pattern for Siberian snow pack. The PV is on the other side and if the euro ensembles are right, the whole Siberian landmass from east to west has below normal heights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 12/13/07 worst commute of all time, hands down. 1000 year commute disaster. NEVER take the side roads out of Boston. Didn't matter. Highways, side roads...all disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Yeah most of us saw this coming. The GEFS backed off the troughing.Doesnt look warm at all. Just normal to slightly below as we've been discussing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Doesnt look warm at all. Just normal to slightly below as we've been discussing Nobody said warm, just a little above and potentially very boring. Hopefully some of the GFS op runs are right with at least some sort of storm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 30 degrees. Freezing rain. Upslope flow keeps bringing the persistent small droplet sheet rains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Rain Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Euro around D9 would be interesting if something tropical was spinning near the Bahamas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropopause_Fold Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Yes but how pervasive is that, Ryan. That's part of the equation in my mine. Hey it's just my opinion so it's probably worth sh!t but CT is not a big area. It's almost meso-scale. I toured around Mass shortly after that storm and sorry, it just wasn't that big of deal. The snow storm near halloween ...THAT was more in line with the type of event I was originally discussing. It's been awhile. what!? that storm had a huge junk of the region SE of 95 without power. some places were out for 7 days...in the dead of winter. some towns were completely in the dark - entire communities. what are you talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radarman Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 I'll tell you what, that's a great pattern for Siberian snow pack. The PV is on the other side and if the euro ensembles are right, the whole Siberian landmass from east to west has below normal heights. Pillow talk right there... except now with this SAI business is this potentially a bad thing? lol I'll take it all the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropopause_Fold Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 the 2/8/13 event also crushed the shore...a lot of shoreline homes were damaged from Sandwich to the North Shore...it had a very impressive storm surge. the event has actually reshaped the way EPA / DEP handles shoreline construction! just because a rinky-dink town of 7000 people nw of 495 in MA had a foot-and-a-half of powder does not mean the entire region was spared a big impact Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJwinter23 Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 I'll tell you what, that's a great pattern for Siberian snow pack. The PV is on the other side and if the euro ensembles are right, the whole Siberian landmass from east to west has below normal heights. It is a little too early since we typically want to see the advancement in the latter part of Oct, but I don't see how this can hurt matters ehh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthCoastMA Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 the 2/8/13 event also crushed the shore...a lot of shoreline homes were damaged from Sandwich to the North Shore...it had a very impressive storm surge. the event has actually reshaped the way EPA / DEP handles shoreline construction! just because a rinky-dink town of 7000 people nw of 495 in MA had a foot-and-a-half of powder does not mean the entire region was spared a big impact Lol The level of tree destruction was impressive.. worst in a hundred years in some parts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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