snowman21 Posted August 24, 2013 Share Posted August 24, 2013 You have any idea how/why 1V4 averages 2F warmer than MVL? I can't see how they would but the F-6 data has them being much below normal but with same temps as MVL.It appears to be a legitimate difference. These are the raw averages from 1981-2010: ID STATION LONGITUDE LATITUDE ELEV AVGHI AVGLO #DAYS PERIOD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MVLV1 MORRISVILLE 4 SSW - 72.6236 44.5139 760 77.0 52.1 629 1987-2009 KMVL MORRISVILLE STOWE STATE AP - 72.6144 44.5344 732 77.4 54.0 465 1996-2010 K1V4 SAINT JOHNSBURY - 72.0194 44.4200 700 79.3 55.9 899 1981-2010 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted August 24, 2013 Share Posted August 24, 2013 Awesome evening out there... The Worcester Range on town's eastern border. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyewall Posted August 24, 2013 Share Posted August 24, 2013 Love that last shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted August 24, 2013 Share Posted August 24, 2013 Deep deep sunburn at soccer tourney today. April sun angle seems a hell of a lot stronger now than April Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 Wonder how many are below 45F tonight Deep deep summer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 It appears to be a legitimate difference. These are the raw averages from 1981-2010: ID STATION LONGITUDE LATITUDE ELEV AVGHI AVGLO #DAYS PERIOD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MVLV1 MORRISVILLE 4 SSW - 72.6236 44.5139 760 77.0 52.1 629 1987-2009 KMVL MORRISVILLE STOWE STATE AP - 72.6144 44.5344 732 77.4 54.0 465 1996-2010 K1V4 SAINT JOHNSBURY - 72.0194 44.4200 700 79.3 55.9 899 1981-2010 That's just so hard for me to believe, but I guess it must be right. I just think they are always even with us and often identical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 Snowman what's the record at BDL for non 90 degree consecutive summer days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 Deep deep sunburn at soccer tourney today. April sun angle seems a hell of a lot stronger now than AprilYou are not tanned yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 Deep deep sunburn at soccer tourney today. April sun angle seems a hell of a lot stronger now than April I got my worst sunburn of the season in late April or early May doing shirtless yard work like a redneck. But I know what you mean, it just doesn't seem right but it is, haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 You are not tanned yet?I have a nice summer tan, but being fair skinned that doesn't matter. Always get some burn and the dome always gets it. Didn't wear a hat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 Love that last shot. If you are ever in Stowe, take a drive up to Trapp Family Lodge (the same family from The Sound of Music)...the views from their property are amazing up at like 1,500ft and they have a nice deli and brewery up there. They get an amazing amount of snow up there too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 I have a nice summer tan, but being fair skinned that doesn't matter. Always get some burn and the dome always gets it. Didn't wear a hatyeah same with my wife, not bald but definitely fair skinned. What a great stretch of summer. Looks like you get your lawn watered naturally next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 If you are ever in Stowe, take a drive up to Trapp Family Lodge (the same family from The Sound of Music)...the views from their property are amazing up at like 1,500ft and they have a nice deli and brewery up there. They get an amazing amount of snow up there too.love that place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weathafella Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 Midwest is the place to go for heat. We may be done with anything more than token warmth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 Midwest is the place to go for heat. We may be done with anything more than token warmth.The night of my school open house is guaranteed to be AOA normal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nittany88 Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 Of course you would lol. Taber and Lahiff need to convert you to a winter snob...instead of reading about you slapping high fives in the AFD over January flood watches LOL, oh believe me I used to love the winter and snow and cold, until I moved to Vermont. Liked it less and less each year lol. You have any idea how/why 1V4 averages 2F warmer than MVL? I can't see how they would but the F-6 data has them being much below normal but with same temps as MVL. Just offhand, I would be it has to do with location. MVL is much less prone to downsloping. 1V4 gets downslope warming in the CT River Valley from any westerly wind OR easterly wind, and southerly warm air gets channeled northward in the CT River Valley. Only "favorable" upslope flow there is N/NE. It is also *fairly* more difficult to radiate in the CT River Valley when compared to MVL given the river and its location in downtown Saint Johnsbury. I'm not as optimistic but I never am going into winter. Plus the advantage always seems to be in SNE prior to winter. I like to be pleasantly surprised For us to have above normal temps due to a block is not a good sign up here, lol if that's what you think will happen. That implies some freakin' stale air masses all winter if we are watching maritime air do circles around New England. That maritime air may be garbage for true winter storms in NNE, but those wrap-around retrograde systems can give the greatest upslope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowman21 Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 Snowman what's the record at BDL for non 90 degree consecutive summer days? Interesting question. You could look at this in multiple ways from maximum number of days between 90 degree days (Table 1) or the maximum number of days between 90 degree days intra-year (Table 2). TABLE 1: #DAYS START DATE END DATE ------------------------------ 620 09/09/1919-05/21/1921 380 07/20/1905-08/04/1906 352 08/06/1923-07/23/1924 342 07/27/1934-07/04/1935 334 08/01/1954-07/01/1955 331 08/24/1916-07/21/1917 329 08/12/1981-07/07/1982 326 07/26/1994-06/17/1995 322 08/11/1911-06/28/1912 321 08/10/1946-06/27/1947 TABLE 2: #DAYS START DATE END DATE ------------------------------ 135 04/27/1915-09/09/1915 104 04/28/2009-08/10/2009 86 07/23/1908-10/17/1908 70 05/11/1985-07/20/1985 68 07/24/1986-09/30/1986 68 06/08/1996-08/15/1996 66 06/15/2004-08/20/2004 65 07/29/1927-10/02/1927 55 04/28/1990-06/22/1990 54 04/28/1938-06/21/1938 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 Interesting question. You could look at this in multiple ways from maximum number of days between 90 degree days (Table 1) or the maximum number of days between 90 degree days intra-year (Table 2). TABLE 1: #DAYS START DATE END DATE ------------------------------ 620 09/09/1919-05/21/1921 380 07/20/1905-08/04/1906 352 08/06/1923-07/23/1924 342 07/27/1934-07/04/1935 334 08/01/1954-07/01/1955 331 08/24/1916-07/21/1917 329 08/12/1981-07/07/1982 326 07/26/1994-06/17/1995 322 08/11/1911-06/28/1912 321 08/10/1946-06/27/1947 TABLE 2: #DAYS START DATE END DATE ------------------------------ 135 04/27/1915-09/09/1915 104 04/28/2009-08/10/2009 86 07/23/1908-10/17/1908 70 05/11/1985-07/20/1985 68 07/24/1986-09/30/1986 68 06/08/1996-08/15/1996 66 06/15/2004-08/20/2004 65 07/29/1927-10/02/1927 55 04/28/1990-06/22/1990 54 04/28/1938-06/21/1938 Thanks man will be interesting if they make it through September, I thought BDL records began in 1941? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowman21 Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 Thanks man will be interesting if they make it through September, I thought BDL records began in 1941? You're right, but I used the threaded climate records that the NWS uses as the 'official' climate record for BDL (which goes back to 1905) to come up with that list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baroclinic Zone Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 Chilly here at horseneck. Bluebird day. Long day driving to nh this am. Got back to beach at 530. I see tan is down to 50g as of 9pm. Maybe low 40s,? Sent from my DROID RAZR using Tapatalk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 Thanks man will be interesting if they make it through September, I thought BDL records began in 1941?I'm watching Bizzare Foods featuring Rhode Island. Iggy's Doughboys and Federal Hill FTW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baroclinic Zone Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 Stars are incredible here. Saw a few satellites go overhead too. Cool stuff. Sent from my DROID RAZR using Tapatalk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 You're right, but I used the threaded climate records that the NWS uses as the 'official' climate record for BDL (which goes back to 1905) to come up with that list.You are incredible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 That maritime air may be garbage for true winter storms in NNE, but those wrap-around retrograde systems can give the greatest upslope Yeah those are the real west slope and CPV events. Retro grading lows seem to always have low Froude numbers and a lot of veering of the wind profile (like N at H7 and WNW at the BTV SFC)...aka the Jan 2010 storm with 36" in 3 days at BTV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 You are incredible Seconded...he's one of the most underrated posters. Always has the best climo information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey2002 Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 Wonder how many are below 45F tonight I think we have a chance here in the valley of Tolland... already down to 56 degrees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quincy Posted August 25, 2013 Author Share Posted August 25, 2013 I think we have a chance here in the valley of Tolland... already down to 56 degrees.Had to bump temps down. Lows this morning were below some guidance too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 Seconded...he's one of the most underrated posters. Always has the best climo information. Indeed. Great asset on this forum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey2002 Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 Had to bump temps down. Lows this morning were below some guidance too. Yeah, we got down to a chilly 51 this morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 BTV had to lower mins a couple degrees, too. Lows in the 30s (NE VT and SLK areas) and 40s expected tonight in this area of New England. Down to 51F and tanking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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