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Weekend Storm Disco/Obs (Dec 18th & 19th) ---> Part 2


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The euro changed so drastically it makes you think it had to have got bad data or something.

Its more than just bad data. Every model flipped drastically for several days as a whole with this storm. Very sensitive to trough amplification and speed of the system in the northern stream meeting the low pressure off the coast. Pretty bad even having the ensemble envelope follow along also. Yesterdays 12z GFS, EURO, CMC, NOGAPS, and UKMET all had a big hit for Long Island. The 00z had barely an inch of snow. In the 72 hour time range thats pretty bad.

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hr 12 has a 1016 lp off the SC/NC coast, light precip across Ga., SC, and SE NC...hr 18 has a 1012 at panhandle Fl, precip still light in Ga., SC, and light precip making its way into RDU area, still no precip in Cha. yet...hr 24 has a 1012 lp off Wilmington, heavier precip in eastern third of NC, light precip back towards Cha., 850's look to warm, still light precip in SC/Ga....hr 30 precip edge right at RDU and 850's look to finally be cold enough and moisture is leaving...hr 36 there is a 1008 lp off the NC coast but to far OTS, some light precip over eastern NC.

EDIT: Sorry Queencity I didn't know you have already replied.

One thing.. wasnt the Euro showing nothing in central NC with yeserdays event? And was too warm if im not mistaken? Everyone saw a little snow and then freezing rain. QPFs were much higher in NC than modeled.

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One thing.. wasnt the Euro showing nothing in central NC with yeserdays event? And was too warm if im not mistaken? Everyone saw a little snow and then freezing rain. QPFs were much higher in NC than modeled.

1" liquid here and no guidance came close to that... a couple runs of the global had me within the 0.5 hatch, but NAM was to the north on heaviest axis. ECMWF was around 3/10"'s if I am not mistaken inside of 72 hrs.

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1" liquid here and no guidance came close to that... a couple runs of the global had me within the 0.5 hatch, but NAM was to the north on heaviest axis. ECMWF was around 3/10"'s if I am not mistaken inside of 72 hrs.

This drives home the point I have been trying to make about the QPF forecasts from models.

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One thing.. wasnt the Euro showing nothing in central NC with yeserdays event? And was too warm if im not mistaken? Everyone saw a little snow and then freezing rain. QPFs were much higher in NC than modeled.

It always showed NC to warm leading up to yesterday's event. It finally moved a little south w/ qpf at the end. But for most of the time I was following it, it showed the qpf in Va.

EDIT: WeatherNC's correct, it never showed the amount of qpf that we got.

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0z GFS ens members, 30 and 36 hrs... Great, I have a 50-50 chance of being on the rn-sn line! Can be a great thing depending on what side of the street you live on, as one likes to see +RN down the road while getting +SN itby! :yikes:

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Like the trends though for the Coastal Plain as the consensus from the 12 and 18z members was not even close. Time for bed and hope it continues! :snowman:

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That HRRR sim radar map looks great!! ............Not ready to drink the GFS/Euro Kool-aid just yet. Current radar show some nice returns from eastern MS to central AL right now moving northeast. This had better turn east or fizzle out pretty quick if the global models are going to verify.

It appears to blooming along the Texas/Louisiana border as well.

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Try not to faint Brick:

URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE RALEIGH NC

323 AM EST SAT DEC 18 2010

...A MIX OF RAIN AND SNOW THIS AFTERNOON IS EXPECTED TO BECOME ALL

SNOW TONIGHT...

.A LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM DEVELOPING ALONG THE GULF COAST WILL MOVE

NORTHEAST AND INTENSIFY OFF THE CAROLINA COAST TONIGHT...

SPREADING A WINTRY MIX OF PRECIPITATION INTO CENTRAL NORTH

CAROLINA.

NCZ007>011-024>028-040>043-076-077-181730-

/O.NEW.KRAH.WW.Y.0015.101218T2300Z-101219T1400Z/

PERSON-GRANVILLE-VANCE-WARREN-HALIFAX-ORANGE-DURHAM-FRANKLIN-NASH-

EDGECOMBE-CHATHAM-WAKE-JOHNSTON-WILSON-LEE-HARNETT-

INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...ROXBORO...OXFORD...HENDERSON...

WARRENTON...ROANOKE RAPIDS...CHAPEL HILL...DURHAM...LOUISBURG...

NASHVILLE...ROCKY MOUNT...PITTSBORO...RALEIGH...SMITHFIELD...

WILSON...SANFORD...LILLINGTON

323 AM EST SAT DEC 18 2010

...WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY IN EFFECT FROM 6 PM THIS EVENING TO

9 AM EST SUNDAY...

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN RALEIGH HAS ISSUED A WINTER

WEATHER ADVISORY FOR SNOW...WHICH IS IN EFFECT FROM 6 PM THIS

EVENING TO 9 AM EST SUNDAY.

* LOCATIONS AFFECTED: THE TRIANGLE...NORTHERN PIEDMONT AND

NORTHEAST COASTAL PLAIN.

* PRECIPITATION TYPES: RAIN OR A RAIN AND SNOW MIX THIS

AFTERNOON...BECOMING ALL SNOW TONIGHT.

* ACCUMULATION: ONE TO TWO INCHES OF SNOW IS EXPECTED...WITH THE

HEAVIEST AMOUNTS JUST EAST AND NORTHEAST OF THE TRIANGLE.

* TIMING: PRECIPITATION WILL MOVE NORTH INTO THE ADVISORY AREA AS

RAIN OR A RAIN AND SNOW MIX BETWEEN 3 PM AND 6 PM. PRECIPITATION

IS EXPECTED TO BECOME ALL SNOW BETWEEN 6 PM AND 9 PM THIS

EVENING...ENDING FROM WEST TO EAST BY SUNRISE SUNDAY MORNING.

* IMPACTS: HAZARDOUS DRIVING CONDITIONS ARE EXPECTED ACROSS THE

ADVISORY AREA TONIGHT...ESPECIALLY AFTER MIDNIGHT WHEN

TEMPERATURES WILL BEGIN TO FALL BELOW FREEZING.

* TEMPERATURES: WILL REMAIN AT OR JUST ABOVE FREEZING THROUGH THIS

EVENING...FALLING BELOW FREEZING AFTER MIDNIGHT.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

A WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY MEANS THAT PERIODS OF SNOW...SLEET...OR

FREEZING RAIN WILL CAUSE TRAVEL DIFFICULTIES. BE PREPARED FOR

SLIPPERY ROADS AND LIMITED VISIBILITIES...AND USE CAUTION WHILE

DRIVING.

&&

PLEASE REPORT SNOW AND ICE ACCUMULATIONS DIRECTLY TO THE NATIONAL

WEATHER SERVICE BY CALLING 1-877-633-6772.

$$

VINCENT

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the 6z nam isnt even picking up the precip at hr6 over the southeast it has very little precip from ga into sc so you can throw the NAM out its nowcast time!

NAM looks like it's doing horrible with the storm. Radar is actually pretty good in western TN and light snow is being reported on the ground, but it shows absolutely nothing for this time frame. Weird.

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