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ugh, how can this thing not develop a llc.  looks gorgeous.

 

 

 

 

Todays convective  blowup dissapeted. I agree, the outflow and symmetry are impressive for an open wave. It would almost look worse if convection tried to fire near the LLC  and away from the main blob.

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Which it actually seems to be doing at the moment, now that you mention it.

I think the trough axis is further west, around or just west of 70W. The convection fired up on top of the mid level low, and the upper flow skeleton that's dying is back east, with the TUTT doing the traffic cop job.

 

Latest ASCAT and vorticity analysis seem to confirm this:

 

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Back from the Dead!

 

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1. CLOUDINESS AND THUNDERSTORMS ASSOCIATED WITH THE REMNANTS OF DORIAN
HAVE BECOME MORE CONCENTRATED ALONG A TROUGH OF LOW PRESSURE IN THE
CENTRAL AND NORTHWESTERN BAHAMAS TODAY. ALTHOUGH SURFACE PRESSURES
ARE FALLING IN THIS AREA...THERE ARE NO SIGNS OF A CLOSED
CIRCULATION. THIS DISTURBANCE IS FORECAST TO MOVE TOWARD THE
NORTHWEST AND NORTH...BRINGING CLOUDINESS...SHOWERS...AND GUSTY
WINDS TO PORTIONS OF THE NORTHWESTERN BAHAMAS AND THE COASTAL
WATERS OF SOUTHEASTERN FLORIDA ON FRIDAY AND SATURDAY. AFTER
THAT...THE DISTURBANCE IS EXPECTED TO MOVE TOWARD THE
NORTH-NORTHEAST AND BECOME ASSOCIATED WITH A FRONTAL TROUGH. THIS
SYSTEM HAS A LOW CHANCE...20 PERCENT...OF BECOMING A TROPICAL
CYCLONE DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS...AND A LOW CHANCE...20
PERCENT...OF BECOMING A TROPICAL CYCLONE DURING THE NEXT 5 DAYS.

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Long range radar out of Miami shows some rotation associated with the activity in the Bahamas.

 

ECMWF is on board with a weak closed cyclone in the 25-35 knot range. The problem is the low and mid-level vortexes never quite get coupled before northerly shear increases over the system by 48 hours. A weak TC in the 30-40 knot range is certainly on the table though. 

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Long range radar out of Miami shows some rotation associated with the activity in the Bahamas.

One can see rotation in the IR satellite.  Almost certainly midlevel, as NHC mentioned lowering pressures but lack of a closed circulation.

 

I could look at Bahama obs, but I don't really know the geography and my lunch break is over.

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Congo Town, Andros Island has a SSW wind @ 10 mph. They did report a gust to 32 earlier. Pressures are running about 30.02.

 

Yea it actually does have a weak closed circulation so its not just a mid-level feature. However, its fairly broad and diffuse and doesn't really qualify as a TC unless it has a tightly wound surface vortex that contains some definition. The problem is even the trigger happy higher resolution guidance (HRRR, NMM/ARW WRF) doesn't really show this changing over the next couple of days. 

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Congo Town, Andros Island has a SSW wind @ 10 mph. They did report a gust to 32 earlier. Pressures are running about 30.02.

 

1016.6 mb.  I distrust the SI as much as anybody else, but bars/Pascals and 2 liter Coke bottles are here to stay.  And, double wind speed in m/s, within a couple of % of wind speed in knots.  15 m/s darn close to 30 knots.

 

Bookmarked

 

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WEATHER RECONNAISSANCE FLIGHTS

CARCAH, NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER, MIAMI, FL.

0330 PM EDT THU 01 AUGUST 2013

SUBJECT: TROPICAL CYCLONE PLAN OF THE DAY (TCPOD)

VALID 02/1100Z TO 03/1100Z AUGUST 2013

TCPOD NUMBER.....13-062 AMENDMENT

I. ATLANTIC REQUIREMENTS

1. REMNANTS OF DORIAN

FLIGHT ONE -- TEAL 71 FLIGHT TWO -- TEAL 72

A. 02/1800Z A. 03/0600Z

B. AFXXX 0304A INVEST B. AFXXX 0404A DORAIN

C. 02/1530Z C. 03/0400Z

D. 27.0N 79.5W D. 28.5N 79.5W

E. 02/1730Z TO 02/2130Z E. 02/0530Z TO 03/0930Z

F. SFC TO 10,000 FT F. SFC TO 10,000 FT

 

 

Just for kicks...

 

If this somehow managed to get into the Gulf with a closed circulation and light wind shear,91L could definitely spin up.

 

That's highly unlikely though.  

 

48 hour SST forecast 

 

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Just for kicks...

 

If this somehow managed to get into the Gulf with a closed circulation and light wind shear,91L could definitely spin up.

 

That's highly unlikely though.  

 

48 hour SST forecast 

 

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SHIPS, using BAMM track into Gulf, destroys Zombie Dorian with shear in about three days.  Miami to Hatteras or bust.

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For future reference, Climatology and Persistence beat the BAM models...

 

Also, with aircraft already cancelled, the tangerine is meaningless, the best that will happen is this will get classified as having regenerated to a TD in the post season reanalysis

 

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A buoy near Freeport, Grand Bahama is reporting westerly winds at 24kt, while farther east on the island, southwesterly winds are being reported. Vero Beach on the eastern coast of Florida is reporting northeasterly winds.

 

Will the NHC pull the trigger? The system is firing deep and organized convection.

 

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000

ABNT20 KNHC 022341

TWOAT

TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOK

NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL

800 PM EDT FRI AUG 2 2013

FOR THE NORTH ATLANTIC...CARIBBEAN SEA AND THE GULF OF MEXICO...

AN AREA OF LOW PRESSURE CENTERED ABOUT 75 MILES EAST OF MELBOURNE

FLORIDA...ASSOCIATED WITH THE REMAINS OF DORIAN...IS MOVING SLOWLY

NORTHWARD. SATELLITE AND RADAR DATA INDICATE THAT THE ASSOCIATED

SHOWER ACTIVITY HAS BECOME BETTER ORGANIZED DURING THE PAST SEVERAL

HOURS...AND SOME ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT IS POSSIBLE TONIGHT.

HOWEVER...THE LOW IS EXPECTED TO ENCOUNTER STRONG UPPER-LEVEL WINDS

ON SATURDAY WHICH WILL NOT BE CONDUCIVE FOR DEVELOPMENT...AND IT IS

EXPECTED TO MERGE WITH A FRONTAL TROUGH OFFSHORE OF THE EASTERN

UNITED STATES ON SUNDAY. THIS SYSTEM HAS A MEDIUM CHANCE...

50 PERCENT...OF BECOMING A TROPICAL CYCLONE DURING THE NEXT

48 HOURS...AND A MEDIUM CHANCE...50 PERCENT...OF BECOMING A TROPICAL

CYCLONE DURING THE NEXT 5 DAYS. REGARDLESS OF DEVELOPMENT...

CLOUDINESS AND SHOWERS WILL CONTINUE TO AFFECT PORTIONS OF THE

NORTHWESTERN BAHAMAS...THE FLORIDA PENINSULA...AND THE ADJACENT

WATERS TONIGHT AND SATURDAY.

&&

FIVE-DAY FORMATION PROBABILITIES ARE EXPERIMENTAL IN 2013. COMMENTS

ON THE EXPERIMENTAL FORECASTS CAN BE PROVIDED AT...

50%

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TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOKNWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL200 AM EDT SAT AUG 3 2013FOR THE NORTH ATLANTIC...CARIBBEAN SEA AND THE GULF OF MEXICO...RECENT SATELLITE-DERIVED SURFACE WIND DATA INDICATE THE AREA OF LOWPRESSURE CENTERED ABOUT 70 MILES EAST OF CAPE CANAVERAL FLORIDA...ASSOCIATED WITH THE REMNANTS OF DORIAN...HAS BECOME BETTER DEFINEDAND IS PRODUCING WINDS TO TROPICAL STORM FORCE IN SQUALLS TO THEEAST AND SOUTHEAST OF THE CENTER. SATELLITE AND RADAR DATA FURTHERINDICATE THAT ASSOCIATED SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS ARE GRADUALLYBECOMING BETTER ORGANIZED...AND ONLY A SLIGHT INCREASE IN THISACTIVITY COULD RESULT IN THE FORMATION OF A TROPICAL CYCLONE. IFTHIS RECENT DEVELOPMENT TREND CONTINUES...THEN ADVISORIES COULD BERE-INITIATED ON THIS SYSTEM LATER THIS MORNING AS IT MOVES SLOWLYNORTHWARD. DUE TO THE STRONGEST WINDS BEING LOCATED ON THE EASTSIDE OF THE LOW...TROPICAL STORM WATCHES OR WARNINGS WOULD NOT BEREQUIRED FOR THE BAHAMAS OR ANY PART THE UNITED STATES COASTLINE.THIS SYSTEM HAS A HIGH CHANCE...60 PERCENT...OF BECOMING A TROPICALCYCLONE DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS...AND A HIGH CHANCE...60PERCENT...OF BECOMING A TROPICAL CYCLONE DURING THE NEXT 5 DAYS.REGARDLESS OF DEVELOPMENT...CLOUDINESS AND SHOWERS WILL CONTINUE TOAFFECT PORTIONS OF THE NORTHWESTERN BAHAMAS...THE FLORIDAPENINSULA...AND ADJACENT ATLANTIC WATERS TODAY.
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