metalicwx366 Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 11/27/05 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyhb Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Nope to those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewxmann Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Wild guess -- 01/01/11? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyhb Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Wild guess -- 01/01/11? Nope. It is an older event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunder Road Posted July 17, 2013 Author Share Posted July 17, 2013 I had to do a bit of research for this one since I don't remember many old events except for the big May outbreaks. 4/6/05? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metalicwx366 Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 I had to do a bit of research for this one since I don't remember many old events except for the big May outbreaks. 4/6/05? CST Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunder Road Posted July 17, 2013 Author Share Posted July 17, 2013 CST I know. Back then wasn't the time change in early April? I'll admit I'm perplexed by the combination of 45-knot storm motions, 50 kft tops, and CST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyhb Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 Nope, not 4/6/05. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewxmann Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 Ah, 4/6/05 is a really good guess. 11/24/01? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyhb Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 Ah, 4/6/05 is a really good guess. 11/24/01? We have a winner. I would've said there was a violent tornado in MS in the early morning but that probably would've gave it away. This was actually Alabama's largest single day outbreak on record until 4/27/11 of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewxmann Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 Man, that was a tough one. Went with the only "old" date I knew with tornadoes in MS. Another fairly old one: DAY 1 CONVECTIVE OUTLOOKNWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK1046 AM CDT ___________VALID __1630Z - __1200ZTHERE IS A MDT RISK OF SVR TSTMS TO THE RIGHT OF A LINE FROM 25 ENEOLU 10 ESE OMA 20 NW LWD 40 SW IRK 20 ENE SZL 10 N JLN 40 ENE ABI 30NNW ABI 75 NW ABI P28 HLC EAR 25 ENE OLU.THERE IS A SLGT RISK OF SVR TSTMS TO THE RIGHT OF A LINE FROM 75 SMRF 25 E MAF 40 WSW CSM 25 W P28 30 W HLC MCK 25 ESE MHN 15 SE MHE30 NW MKT 35 WSW DLH RHI MKE 10 SE SBN 30 NE DAY 15 S CMH UNI 30 SE5I3 40 NNE TYS 40 SE BWG 30 SW CGI HRO FSM 10 ENE DUA FTW 20 SSEDRT.THERE IS A SLGT RISK OF SVR TSTMS TO THE RIGHT OF A LINE FROM DAB 30SW JAX 35 NNW AYS 15 SW AHN 10 WSW AND 30 N CAE 15 SW CRE.GEN TSTMS ARE FCST TO THE RIGHT OF A LINE FROM 60 NNW GGW 30 WNW ISN20 NNE DVL RRT.GEN TSTMS ARE FCST TO THE RIGHT OF A LINE FROM 25 ENE ERI 30 SE MGW25 NNE CLT 30 NNE FLO 20 S ILM.GEN TSTMS ARE FCST TO THE RIGHT OF A LINE FROM 25 S CRP LRD.GEN TSTMS ARE FCST TO THE RIGHT OF A LINE FROM 65 SSW MRF 30 NNW CDS30 N GAG GCK 40 N LAA 15 NE MTJ 20 W PUC 10 SE SLC 25 NNW EVW 30 NNWRWL 30 WNW DGW 45 N CPR 40 W 3HT 55 NNE MSO 60 NW FCA....THERE IS A MDT RISK OF SVR TSTMS LARGE PART OF CENTRAL ANDSOUTHERN PLAINS......THERE IS A SLGT RISK OF SVR TSTMS UPPER MIDWEST THRU OH VALLEY......THERE IS A SLGT RISK OF SVR TSTMS ERN GA AND SC......WIDESPREAD SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS AND POSSIBLE TORNADOES CENTRALAND SOUTHERN PLAINS......SYNOPSIS...BROAD UPPER TROUGH WILL BE MOVING EWD INTO THE PLAINS STATES THISFORECAST PERIOD COLD FRONT EXTENDS SWD FROM STRONG SURFACE LOW OVERSRN MANITOBA THRU WRN MN INTO ERN NEB THEN WWD INTO CENTRAL CO.SECONDARY SURFACE LOW OVER WRN KS WHERE COLD FRONT INTERSECTS DRYLINE. DRY LINE THEN TRAILS SSWWD ACROSS ERN TX PANHANDLE INTO SWRNTX.A NEARLY STATIONARY FRONTAL ZONE STRETCHES ESEWD FROM NRN IA ACROSSOH VALLEY AND THEN SEWD AS A BACK DOOR COLD FRONT ALONG SC/NCBORDER.VERY STEEP LAPSE RATES IN EXCESS OF 8C/KM HAVE SPREAD ACROSS PLAINSAND COUPLED WITH THE CONTINUED STRONG FLUX OF GULF MOISTURE HAVE PUTIN PLACE AN EXTREMELY UNSTABLE AIR MASS ACROSS MUCH OF PLAINS TO EOF DRY LINE AND SE OF COLD FRONT.ADDITIONALLY A MDT TO VERY UNSTABLE AIRMASS COVERS AREA ALONG AND SOF FRONTAL BAND ACROSS OH VALLEY INTO SERN STATES....CENTRAL AND SRN PLAINS...EXAMINING 12Z RAOBS AND MODEL RUNS THE AIR MASS BY EARLY THISAFTERNOON WILL BECOME EXTREMELY UNSTABLE OVER A LARGE PORTION OF THECENTRAL AND SOUTHERN PLAINS E AND SE OF DRYLINE AND COLD FRONT.MLCAPES IN EXCESS OF 4000 J/KG ALONG WITH 30-35 KT OF DEEP LAYERSHEAR SUPPORT EXPLOSIVE DEVELOPMENT OF SUPERCELL THUNDERSTORMS BYMID AFTERNOON. WITH THE MID LEVEL COOLING AND UPWARD MOTIONASSOCIATED WITH THE TROUGH MOVING INTO THE PLAINS THE CAP WILLWEAKEN SUFFICIENTLY TO ALLOW INITIATION ALONG THE DRYLINE FROM SWRNTX NWD THRU CENTRAL PLAINS.HAIL MODELS INDICATE POTENTIAL FOR VERY LARGE HAIL WITH ANYSUPERCELL OVER THE MDT RISK AREA. TORNADIC POTENTIAL ATTM SEEMSHIGHEST IN THE AREA OF BEST LOW LEVEL SHEAR AND WEAKEST CAP OVERPORTIONS OF CENTRAL PLAINS E OF DRY LN AND NEAR COLD FRONT. GIVENTHE EXTREME AMOUNT OF INSTABILITY AVAILABLE THERE IS POTENTIAL FORLARGE VIOLENT TORNADOES LATER THIS AFTERNOON.FURTHER DOWN DRYLINE THE PRIMARY THREAT WILL BE VERY LARGE HAIL ANDDAMAGING DOWNBURSTS WINDS. HOWEVER WITH THE APPROACH OF MID LEVELSPEED MAX SRN PORTION OF TROUGH MOVING ACROSS SRN NM ATTM...SHEARCOULD BE SUFFICIENT FOR TORNADIC SUPERCELLS EVEN WITH THE EXPECTEDRELATIVELY HIGH BASES....MID WEST INCLUDING OH VALLEY...THERE WILL BE SUFFICIENT SHEAR ALONG WITH THE INSTABILITY TO SUPPORTWIDESPREAD STRONG/SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS THIS AFTERNOON AND EARLYTONIGHT OVER MUCH OF THIS AREA. ONGOING ACTIVITY AND WEAKER LOWLEVEL FLOW WILL MAKE IT DIFFICULT TO CONCENTRATE SEVERE POTENTIAL.HOWEVER WITH MLCAPES TO 3000 J/KG AND A RELATIVELY WEAK CAP...LARGEHAIL AND DAMAGING WINDS ARE LIKELY WHERE STORMS CAN FOCUS EITHER ONOUTFLOW BOUNDARIES OR VICINITY STATIONARY FRONTAL ZONE....CAROLINAS...BACK DOOR COLD FRONT MOVING SLOWLY SWD INTO SC WILL BE NRN LIMIT OFANY THREAT OF SEVERE STORMS. S OF FRONT SUFFICIENT CONVERGENCEALONG BOTH THE SEA BREEZE AND COLD FRONTS TO SUPPORT AT LEASTISOLATED PULSE SEVERE THIS AFTERNOON GIVEN THE MLCAPES TO NEAR 3000J/KG...HALES/BANACOS.. __________ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg ralls Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 Probably not this old, but why not. 5/3/1999? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metalicwx366 Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 4/26/05 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewxmann Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 No to both of the above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brettjrob Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 Hmm. Has to be older than 2006, since I don't recall ever seeing Banacos during my chasing days. Wild guess is 5/22/04. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewxmann Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 Nope, not 5/22/04. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyhb Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 6/12/04. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunder Road Posted July 18, 2013 Author Share Posted July 18, 2013 6/12/04. Must be. The surface map matches perfectly with the discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyhb Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 This was the Mulvane day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tornadotony Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 We have a winner. I would've said there was a violent tornado in MS in the early morning but that probably would've gave it away. This was actually Alabama's largest single day outbreak on record until 4/27/11 of course. Close. Try 4/15/11 (45 tornadoes), then 4/27/11 (62 tornadoes). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewxmann Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 6/12/04. Yep that's it. Mulvane day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyhb Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 Close. Try 4/15/11 (45 tornadoes), then 4/27/11 (62 tornadoes). Erm...yeah. I always forget about 4/15 and how raked AL got in that event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyhb Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 MESOSCALE DISCUSSION ____ NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK 1148 AM CST _______________ AREAS AFFECTED...SERN MS...CNTRL AND SRN AL...FL PANHANDLE THROUGH NRN AND CNTRL GA CONCERNING...TORNADO WATCH ___...___... VALID ________ - _________ CORRECTED TO CHANGE REFERENCE TO SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WATCHES TO TORNADO WATCHES THREAT FOR LONG TRACK STRONG TORNADOES APPEARS TO BE INCREASING AND WILL PERSIST THROUGH THE AFTERNOON FROM SERN MS THROUGH SRN AND CNTRL AL...THE FL PANHANDLE AND EVENTUALLY INTO CNTRL AND NRN GA. NUMEROUS STORMS INCLUDING DISCRETE SUPERCELLS CONTINUE DEVELOPING WITHIN ZONE OF LOW LEVEL CONFLUENCE AND ISENTROPIC LIFT IN WEAKLY CAPPED ENVIRONMENT OVER THE CNTRL GULF COAST REGION. STRONGEST STORMS ARE CURRENTLY FROM SERN MS...SRN AND CNTRL AL INTO THE FL PANHANDLE AND ARE MOVING NE. THE STRONG SLY LOW LEVEL JET IS ADVECTING MID TO UPPER 60S DEWPOINTS NWD THROUGH THE WARM SECTOR...AND THIS WILL CONTRIBUTE TO NWD DESTABILIZATION THIS AFTERNOON DESPITE WIDESPREAD CLOUD COVER. AN AXIS OF MLCAPE FROM 500 TO 1000 J/KG EXISTS ACROSS PARTS MS INTO AL AND THE FL PANHANDLE. LARGE LOW LEVEL HODOGRAPHS WITH 0-1 KM STORM RELATIVE HELICITY IN EXCESS OF 300 M2/S2 PERSISTS OVER A LARGE AREA...AND THIS WILL MAINTAIN A FAVORABLE ENVIRONMENT FOR TORNADIC SUPERCELLS NEXT SEVERAL HOURS. STORMS DEVELOPING OVER NRN GA CURRENTLY APPEAR ELEVATED. THE STRONG LOW LEVEL JET WILL RESULT IN NWD DESTABILIZATION WITH TIME AS FAR N AS NRN GA LATER THIS AFTERNOON...AND THIS WILL CONTRIBUTE TO AN INCREASING TORNADO THREAT AS STORMS BECOME SURFACE BASED. ..DIAL.. _____________ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunder Road Posted July 19, 2013 Author Share Posted July 19, 2013 3/1/07? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyhb Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 Yup, I figured that would be a pretty fast one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunder Road Posted July 19, 2013 Author Share Posted July 19, 2013 URGENT - IMMEDIATE BROADCAST REQUESTED TORNADO WATCH NUMBER ___ NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK 1130 AM CDT ___ ___ __ ____ THE NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER HAS ISSUED A TORNADO WATCH FOR PORTIONS OF NORTHWEST ARKANSAS SOUTHEAST KANSAS SOUTHWEST MISSOURI NORTHEAST OKLAHOMA EFFECTIVE THIS _______ MORNING AND EVENING FROM 1130 AM UNTIL 700 PM CDT. TORNADOES...HAIL TO 2 INCHES IN DIAMETER...THUNDERSTORM WIND GUSTS TO 80 MPH...AND DANGEROUS LIGHTNING ARE POSSIBLE IN THESE AREAS. THE TORNADO WATCH AREA IS APPROXIMATELY ALONG AND 110 STATUTE MILES NORTH AND SOUTH OF A LINE FROM 45 MILES NORTHWEST OF BARTLESVILLE OKLAHOMA TO 50 MILES NORTHEAST OF HARRISON ARKANSAS. FOR A COMPLETE DEPICTION OF THE WATCH SEE THE ASSOCIATED WATCH OUTLINE UPDATE (WOUS64 KWNS WOU3). REMEMBER...A TORNADO WATCH MEANS CONDITIONS ARE FAVORABLE FOR TORNADOES AND SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS IN AND CLOSE TO THE WATCH AREA. PERSONS IN THESE AREAS SHOULD BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR THREATENING WEATHER CONDITIONS AND LISTEN FOR LATER STATEMENTS AND POSSIBLE WARNINGS. OTHER WATCH INFORMATION...CONTINUE...WW ___... DISCUSSION...NUMEROUS ELEVATED STORMS WILL OVERSPREAD SOME OF THE WATCH AREA THROUGH EARLY AFTERNOON WITHIN INTENSIFYING LOW LEVEL WARM ADVECTION REGIME AHEAD OF AMPLIFYING LARGE SCALE PATTERN. MOST GUIDANCE SUPPORT RAPID NEAR-SURFACE-BASED DESTABILIZATION IN THE WAKE OF THIS INITIAL ROUND OF ELEVATED CONVECTION AND ADDITIONAL STORMS ARE ILKLEY TO FORM NEAR THE SURFACE LOW AND WARM FRONT BY MID-LATE AFTERNOON. DEEP-LAYER SHEAR...ALREADY SUFFICIENT FOR UPDRAFT ROTATION AND HAIL PRODUCTION...WILL STRENGTHEN FURTHER COINCIDENT WITH THE INCREASE IN LARGE SCALE ASCENT. FURTHERMORE...STRONG LOW LEVEL SRH NEAR THE LOW AND ALONG THE WARM FRONT WILL BECOME INCREASINGLY FAVORABLE FOR LOW LEVEL AND PERSISTENT STORM ROTATION AND POSSIBLE TORNADOES...ESPECIALLY LATER THIS AFTERNOON. AVIATION...TORNADOES AND A FEW SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS WITH HAIL SURFACE AND ALOFT TO 2 INCHES. EXTREME TURBULENCE AND SURFACE WIND GUSTS TO 70 KNOTS. A FEW CUMULONIMBI WITH MAXIMUM TOPS TO 450. MEAN STORM MOTION VECTOR 26030. ...CARBIN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewxmann Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 5/10/08? Looks right geographically, and I remember the Picher-Neosho watch being issued by Carbin for some reason (maybe I'm wrong though). Timing seems to be a bit early though... whatever, but it WAS an early watch. Ongoing elevated convection seems right too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyhb Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 5/10/08? Looks right geographically, and I remember the Picher-Neosho watch being issued by Carbin for some reason (maybe I'm wrong though). Timing seems to be a bit early though... whatever, but it WAS an early watch. Ongoing elevated convection seems right too. Mean storm motion vector also seems right as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunder Road Posted July 19, 2013 Author Share Posted July 19, 2013 5/10/08? Looks right geographically, and I remember the Picher-Neosho watch being issued by Carbin for some reason (maybe I'm wrong though). Timing seems to be a bit early though... whatever, but it WAS an early watch. Ongoing elevated convection seems right too. Yup. One of the first events I remember closely following. Such an odd combination of emotions to see Picher get hit, realize that it's a ghost town because of Tar Creek and hope no one was hurt, but then realize that there were still some people living there and start to think "how can life get any worse for these people." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunder Road Posted July 21, 2013 Author Share Posted July 21, 2013 Anyone alive out there? Try this one...I guess... DAY 1 CONVECTIVE OUTLOOK NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK 1129 AM CDT ___ ___ __ ____ VALID __1630Z - __1200Z ...THERE IS A MDT RISK OF SVR TSTMS FROM NORTHEAST COLORADO AND EXTREME SOUTHEAST WYOMING TO NORTHWEST KANSAS AND MUCH OF SOUTHWEST NEBRASKA INCLUDING THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE NEBRASKA PANHANDLE... ...THERE IS A SLGT RISK OF SVR TSTMS SURROUNDING THE SLGT RISK AREA FROM THE TX PANHANDLE NWD ACROSS THE CENTRAL PLAINS AND MID MISSOURI RIVER VALLEY... ...CENTRAL HIGH PLAINS... LATE MORNING SFC ANALYSIS REVEALS AT LEAST THREE LOW CENTERS ACROSS THE CNTRL HIGH PLAINS EMBEDDED WITHIN LEE/SYNOPTIC-SCALE TROUGHING FROM WRN SD TO ERN CO. OUTFLOW SURGE IN THE WAKE OF ERN NEB/WRN IA MCS WAS EVIDENT IN RADAR AND SATELLITE IMAGERY AND EXTENDS ACROSS NWRN KS TO SERN CO. LOW CLOUDS ARE PERSISTING TO THE NORTH OF THIS OUTFLOW BOUNDARY...FROM NERN CO ACROSS MUCH OF SRN NEB ATTM. EXPECT THE INFLUENCE OF THIS WIND SHIFT AND WEAK COLD POOL TO GRADUALLY DIMINISH THROUGH THE AFTERNOON AS DIURNAL/DIABATIC PROCESSES AND SYNOPTIC FORCING INCREASE IN DOMINANCE. DIURNAL HEATING OF VERY MOIST AND CAPPED WARM SECTOR AIRMASS /SFC DEWPOINTS 65-70F/ WILL CONTRIBUTE THE DEVELOPMENT OF STRONG TO LOCALLY EXTREME INSTABILITY /MLCAPE TO 3000 J PER KG/ LATER THIS AFTERNOON FROM WRN KS INTO SRN NEB. MEANWHILE...PERSISTENT HEIGHT FALLS WITH APPROACH OF WRN U.S. SHORTWAVE TROUGH WILL AID LEE-SIDE CYCLOGENESIS ACROSS ERN CO. AS LOW LEVEL FLOW RESPONDS TO THIS DEVELOPMENT...AND RECOVERS IN THE WAKE OF DECAYING OUTFLOW SURGE ACROSS NERN CO...EXPECT AN INCREASE IN MOISTURE TRANSPORT AND UPSLOPE FLOW FROM NERN CO ACROSS SERN WY. SYNOPTIC LIFT AND WEAKER INHIBITION ARE EXPECTED TO PROMOTE STRONG TO ISOLD SEVERE STORM DEVELOPMENT ACROSS THE MOUNTAINS OF NRN CO AND ERN WY BY 20-21Z. THIS ACTIVITY WILL OCCUR COINCIDENT WITH 40-50 KT SW MID LVL FLOW AND EFFECTIVE SHEAR FAVORABLE FOR UPDRAFT PERSISTENCE AND HAIL PRODUCTION. STORMS SHOULD QUICKLY EVOLVE INTO SUPERCELLS THAT WILL THEN MOVE/DEVELOP EWD INTO INCREASINGLY STRONG/MOIST LOW LVL ELY FLOW TO THE N OF CONSOLIDATING LEE-SIDE SFC LOW. THROUGH THE EVENING....THE CONTINUATION OF LARGE SCALE SUPPORT FOR UPWARD MOTION AND SFC INTENSIFICATION OF LOW...DRYLINE AND WARM FRONT...SHOULD RESULT IN ROBUST STORM DEVELOPMENT AND INCREASE IN STORM COVERAGE FROM NERN CO INTO ADJACENT AREAS OF NEB/KS THROUGH THE EVENING. STRENGTH OF CAPPING INVERSION/EML WITH SWD EXTENT SUGGESTS EITHER A SHARP CUT-OFF TO SEVERE THREAT...OR MORE ISOLD/DISCRETE STORMS SWD ALONG THE DRYLINE. MUCH OF THIS ACTIVITY LIKELY WILL PRODUCE VERY LARGE HAIL GIVEN MAGNITUDE OF INSTABILITY AND SHEAR FORECAST ACROSS THE AREA. ENHANCED LOW LEVEL DIRECTIONAL SHEAR WILL EXIST NEAR AND NORTH OF THE SURFACE LOW...AND ALONG THE WARM FRONT EXTENDING EWD ALONG/NEAR THE NEB/KS BORDER. THIS IS AN AREA WHERE TORNADOES...POSSIBLY STRONG...APPEAR LIKELY INTO THE LATE EVENING. UPSCALE GROWTH OF CONVECTION IS LIKELY TO OCCUR LATE TONIGHT WITH AN MCS OR TWO EVOLVING AND SPREADING EAST ACROSS THE PLAINS...SUSTAINED BY 40-50KT LLJ. MAGNITUDE OF INSTABILITY FEEDING THIS ACTIVITY TO THE NORTH OF THE CAPPING INVERSION SHOULD MAINTAIN A THREAT FOR HAIL AND WIND DAMAGE EWD TO PARTS OF MN AND IA THROUGH EARLY FRIDAY. ..CARBIN/ROGERS.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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