thewxmann Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 Not 4/12/13 or 5/30/12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tornadotony Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 Good guess, but nope. Yeah as soon as I sent it, I realized what it was. I won't make the second guess, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyhb Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 4/6/06 or 5/13/09? And damn...I was going to guess 1/7/08 with the earlier one but my mind went "that was centered further SW and also in WI". Er...wait, those two troughs don't match the second part there. 5/10/03 or 5/30/04? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewxmann Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 Yupp, 5/30/04, although next time please only guess one date at a time. Your turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyhb Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 This should be a pretty easy one. DAY 1 CONVECTIVE OUTLOOK NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK 1111 AM CDT ___ __________ VALID _______ - ________ ...THERE IS A MDT RISK OF SVR TSTMS FROM SERN KS/SWRN MO SWD THRU ERN OK FAR WRN AR INTO PORTIONS OF NERN TX... ...THERE IS A SLGT RISK OF SVR TSTMS FROM PORTIONS OF THE CENTRAL AND SRN PLAINS INTO PARTS OF THE LOWER MS VALLEY... ...CENTRAL AND SRN PLAINS... ...SEVERE THUNDERSTORM AND TORNADO OUTBREAK EXPECTED LATER THIS AFTERNOON AND TONIGHT... DEVELOPING UPPER LOW OVER CO/NM WILL DEEPEN ENEWD INTO CENTRAL KS BY TONIGHT AS POWERFUL UPSTREAM JET AND COLD ADVECTION ROTATE SEWD ACROSS SRN ROCKIES AND OUT INTO THE SRN PLAINS. SURFACE LOW NWRN OK DEEPENS NNEWD INTO KS THIS AFTERNOON WHILE A SECONDARY LOW TAKES SHAPE BY THIS EVENING SRN OK/TX BORDER IN RESPONSE TO APPROACH OF THE UPSTREAM JET AND LARGE SCALE ASCENT. PARAMETERS FAVORABLE FOR THE INITIATION OF THE FORECAST OUTBREAK OF SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS WILL FOCUS ON THE DRY LINE BY MID/LATE AFTERNOON. FROM THE SURFACE LOW IN KS THE DRY LINE SHOULD MIX OUT TO A POSITION FROM NEAR RSL SSEWD TO ABOUT ICT AND THEN VICINITY I-35 INTO NRN TX. THE ONLY QUESTION WILL BE THE MOISTURE RETURN BUT GIVEN THE VERY STEEP LAPSE RATES AND STRONG HEATING...STRONG INSTABILITY WILL DEVELOP WITH MLCAPES AOA 2500 J/KG NWD AHEAD OF DRY LINE INTO CENTRAL/SERN KS. DISCRETE THUNDERSTORM DEVELOPMENT WILL TAKE PLACE BY MID/LATE AFTERNOON BENEATH STRONGLY DIFFLUENT UPPER JET SPREADING ACROSS THE DRYLINE. THE STRONG INSTABILITY COMBINED WITH STRONG DEEP LAYER VERTICAL WIND SHEAR /NEAR 70 KT IN THE 0-8 KM LAYER/ WILL FAVOR A FEW LONGER-LIVED SUPERCELLS. VERY LARGE HAIL WILL DEVELOP RATHER QUICKLY ONCE INITIATION OCCURS. LOW-LEVEL HODOGRAPH STRUCTURE ALSO FORECAST TO ENLARGE BY LATER THIS AFTERNOON AND EVENING AS LOW LEVEL JET BACKS AND INCREASES...WITH EFFECTIVE SRH VALUES INCREASING TO 200-400 M2 S-2. THIS SUPPORTS THE DEVELOPMENT OF TORNADIC SUPERCELLS...WITH POTENTIAL FOR STRONG TORNADOS. WITH THE SECONDARY LOW DEVELOPMENT NEAR THE RED RIVER THIS EVENING...HIGH RES MODELS SUPPORT A GREATER POTENTIAL FOR LONG LIVED TORNADIC SUPERCELLS THIS EVENING ACROSS SERN OK. DEEPER MOISTURE AND THE DIFFLUENCE OF THE APPROACHING 120KT UPPER JET MAX WILL BE FOCUSING ON THIS AREA BY THIS EVENING AND IT WILL BE MONITORED FOR A POSSIBLE UPGRADE IN THE AFTERNOON UPDATE IF THIS SCENARIO SEEMS LIKELY TO PLAY OUT. SURFACE COLD FRONT CURRENTLY NWRN OK SWWD INTO TX PANHANDLE IS FORECAST TO RAPIDLY MOVE ACROSS ERN OK INTO WRN AR AFTER 00Z. STRENGTHENING LOW-LEVEL LINEAR FORCING FOR ASCENT IS EXPECTED TO AID IN UPSCALE GROWTH TO A QLCS STRUCTURE. THIS ACTIVITY WILL LIKELY MOVE ACROSS AR AND SRN MO OVERNIGHT...POSING A THREAT FOR DAMAGING WINDS. THERE WILL CONTINUE TO BE TORNADO POTENTIAL WITH EMBEDDED SUPERCELL STRUCTURES. ..HALES/STOPPKOTTE.. _________ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewxmann Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 04/14/11? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyhb Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 Lol that was way too easy, damn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewxmann Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 Lol that was way too easy, damn. Haha it did take some thinking. I was originally thinking 5/4/03 or 4/14/12 but then realized the geographical locations were incorrect. The secondary low in SE OK did seem pretty familiar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewxmann Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 If anyone else wants to do one then go ahead. Otherwise, I'll post a new one tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunder Road Posted July 7, 2013 Author Share Posted July 7, 2013 DAY 1 CONVECTIVE OUTLOOK NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK 1127 AM CDT ___ ___ __ _____ VALID __1630Z - __1200Z ...THERE IS A SLGT RISK OF SVR TSTMS THIS AFTERNOON INTO TONIGHT FOR PARTS OF THE CENTRAL AND SOUTHERN HIGH PLAINS... ...CENTRAL HIGH PLAINS THIS AFTERNOON INTO TONIGHT... ON THE LARGER SCALE...SHORTWAVE RIDGING WILL PERSIST OVER THE CENTRAL HIGH PLAINS INTO THIS AFTERNOON...PRIOR TO THE ARRIVAL OF A NEWD EJECTING SPEED MAX EMANATING FROM THE SRN GREAT BASIN. IN THE LOW LEVELS...A WEAK LEE CYCLONE WILL REMAIN ACROSS ERN CO...WHILE ANOTHER COLD FRONT PROGRESSES SWD INTO NRN NEB AND ERN WY. S OF THE COLD FRONT AND N OF THE LEE CYCLONE...UPSLOPE FLOW OF LOW-MID 50S BOUNDARY LAYER DEWPOINTS WILL BE MAINTAINED INVOF ANOTHER/WEAKER BAROCLINIC ZONE FROM NW KS/SW NEB NWWD INTO SE WY. SURFACE HEATING W OF AN INITIAL CIRRUS BAND AND UPSLOPE FLOW WILL SUPPORT THUNDERSTORM DEVELOPMENT THIS AFTERNOON ONCE SURFACE TEMPERATURES APPROACH 70-72 F IN SE WY AND 78-80 F IN NE CO...WITH INITIAL DEVELOPMENT POSSIBLE FROM AREAS N OF THE PALMER DIVIDE TO THE CHEYENNE RIDGE AND LARAMIE MOUNTAINS. CONVECTION WILL THEN SPREAD EWD THIS EVENING INTO AN ENVIRONMENT WITH MODERATE INSTABILITY /MLCAPE VALUES AROUND 1500 J/KG/. 50-60 KT WLY FLOW ALOFT ABOVE THE LOW-LEVEL ELY/ESELY FLOW WILL RESULT IN FAVORABLE VERTICAL SHEAR FOR SUPERCELLS /EFFECTIVE BULK SHEAR OF 45-55 KT/. RELATIVELY STRAIGHT HODOGRAPHS COULD SUPPORT STORM SPLITS INITIALLY...WHILE A TENDENCY FOR INCREASED CLOCKWISE CURVATURE AND HODOGRAPH LENGTH WITH EWD EXTENT AND LATER THIS EVENING SHOULD BE MORE FAVORABLE FOR TORNADIC SUPERCELLS. ISOLATED VERY LARGE HAIL COULD ALSO OCCUR WITH THE MORE INTENSE SUPERCELLS THIS AFTERNOON/EVENING. BY EARLY TONIGHT...CONVECTION WILL BEGIN TO TRANSITION INTO MORE ELEVATED THUNDERSTORM CLUSTERS IN ASSOCIATION WITH INCREASING WAA... WITH A LARGE HAIL AND DAMAGING WIND THREAT CONTINUING OVERNIGHT INTO NEB. ...SRN HIGH PLAINS THIS AFTERNOON/EVENING... REGIONAL 12Z SOUNDINGS INDICATE THAT AFTERNOON TEMPERATURES IN THE UPPER 80S TO LOWER 90S WILL REDUCE CONVECTIVE INHIBITION AND SUPPORT WIDELY SCATTERED THUNDERSTORM DEVELOPMENT ALONG THE LEE TROUGH/DRYLINE FROM SW KS INTO TX PANHANDLE/W CENTRAL TX. MODERATE INSTABILITY AND VERTICAL SHEAR COULD BE MARGINALLY FAVORABLE FOR HIGH-BASED SUPERCELLS CAPABLE OF PRODUCING ISOLATED LARGE HAIL AND STRONG OUTFLOW WINDS. ...NE NC/SE VA THIS AFTERNOON... A REMNANT MCV IS MOVING NEWD ACROSS CENTRAL NC TOWARD SE VA...ALONG A STALLED NE-SW ORIENTED FRONT. A BAND OF 25-30 KT LOW-MID LEVEL FLOW E/SE OF THE MCV AND SOMEWHAT STRONGER LOW-LEVEL SHEAR ALONG THE FRONT MAY BE SUFFICIENT FOR ISOLATED ROTATING STORMS. AN ISOLATED/BRIEF TORNADO COULD OCCUR ALONG THE FRONT AND IMMEDIATELY IN ADVANCE OF THE MCV FROM N CENTRAL/NE NC INTO SE VA THIS AFTERNOON. ...NRN GREAT BASIN THIS AFTERNOON... SURFACE HEATING AND A BROAD REGION OF ASCENT IN THE EXIT REGION OF A SPEED MAX ROTATING AROUND THE CA/NV CLOSED LOW WILL PROMOTE SCATTERED THUNDERSTORM DEVELOPMENT THROUGH THE AFTERNOON FROM NRN NV/UT NWD INTO SRN ID. THE STRONGER VERTICAL SHEAR WILL BE LOCATED FARTHER E TOWARD NW UT AND SE ID WHERE CLOUDS WILL MORE LIKELY INTERFERE WITH SURFACE HEATING...AND THE STRONGER SURFACE HEATING WILL OCCUR FARTHER W/NW TOWARD S/SW ID WHERE VERTICAL SHEAR WILL BE WEAKER. A FEW STORMS MAY PRODUCE MARGINALLY SEVERE HAIL AND STRONG OUTFLOW WINDS...BUT THE SEVERE THREAT SHOULD REMAIN RELATIVELY MARGINAL AND/OR ISOLATED. ..THOMPSON/SMITH.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tornadotony Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 6/7/12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewxmann Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 This one's tough. Going to blindly guess the mother of all high plains upslope days -- 06/05/09 (Lagrange, WY tornado). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunder Road Posted July 7, 2013 Author Share Posted July 7, 2013 This one's tough. Going to blindly guess the mother of all high plains upslope days -- 06/05/09 (Lagrange, WY tornado). Yup. I'm evil, but I'm not that evil that I'd give you a completely nondescript upslope day and expect you to get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewxmann Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 Here's an MD. I figure this shouldn't take too long for you guys to figure out. MESOSCALE DISCUSSION ____ NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK 0734 PM CDT ____________ AREAS AFFECTED...NE AR/SE MO/WRN TN/NRN MS/WRN KY CONCERNING...TORNADO WATCH ___... VALID __0034Z - __0230Z A DANGEROUS TORNADO SITUATION IS DEVELOPING ALONG THE WARM FRONT FROM NE AR INTO WRN TN THIS EVENING. VERY STRONG LOW-LEVEL SHEAR /0-3 KM SRH IN EXCESS OF 500 M2/2/ AND A VERY MOIST/UNSTABLE AIR MASS COEXIST ALONG THE WARM FRONT ACROSS NE AR AND WRN TN. STORMS FORMING IN AR WILL RAPIDLY DEVELOP SUPERCELL CHARACTERISTICS AND MOVE EWD INTO WRN TN. ALONG WITH LARGE HAIL...A FEW OF THESE STORMS MAY PRODUCE LONG-LIVED/INTENSE TORNADOES FOR THE NEXT SEVERAL HOURS. THE HIGH RISK AREA WILL BE EXTENDED EWD INTO WRN TN IN THE 01Z OUTLOOK UPDATE. ..THOMPSON.. _________ ATTN...WFO...OHX...HUN...PAH...MEG...LZK... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southmdwatcher Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 2/5/08 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tornadotony Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 5/4/03 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewxmann Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 5/4/03 Yes, that's the one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metalicwx366 Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 MESOSCALE DISCUSSION xxx NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK 0256 PM CDT xxx x xxxx AREAS AFFECTED...MUCH OF MS/AL INTO SOUTHERN TN AND NORTHWEST GA CONCERNING...TORNADO WATCH xxx...xxx... PARTICULARLY DANGEROUS SITUATION /PDS/ TORNADO WATCHES xxx/xxx CONTINUE UNTIL 00Z/03Z RESPECTIVELY. THIS INCLUDES THE POTENTIAL FOR LONG-TRACK STRONG/PERHAPS VIOLENT TORNADOES INTO THIS EVENING AS A SEVERE WEATHER OUTBREAK ONLY INCREASES IN MAGNITUDE/RISK. AN EXTREMELY DANGEROUS/LIFE-THREATENING SITUATION CONTINUES TO UNFOLD THIS AFTERNOON ACROSS A LARGE PART OF MS/AL...WITH ADJACENT PORTIONS OF TN/NORTHWEST GA ALSO EXPECTED TO BECOME A CONCERN LATE THIS AFTERNOON/EVENING. CURRENT OBSERVATIONAL TRENDS...REASONABLY SUPPORTED BY EXPERIMENTAL HRRR GUIDANCE...IMPLY THAT SCATTERED SUPERCELLS WILL CONTINUE TO FORM IN BROKEN NNE-SSW ORIENTED CORRIDORS OF SUBTLE CONFLUENCE AHEAD /EAST/ OF MORE STORMS/SUPERCELLS THAT ARE DEVELOPING ALONG A PRE-COLD FRONTAL TROUGH/DRYLINE GENERALLY NEARING I-55 IN MS. THE WARM SECTOR AIRMASS HAS AGGRESSIVELY DESTABILIZED THIS AFTERNOON AMID NEAR 70F/LOWER 70S F SURFACE DEWPOINTS...REFERENCE SPECIAL 18Z OBSERVED RAOBS FROM JACKSON MS/BIRMINGHAM AL...WITH A WIDE/HIGHLY SHEARED MOIST SECTOR IN PLACE ALONG/SOUTH OF A MODIFYING WEST-EAST OUTFLOW BOUNDARY /NOW AN EFFECTIVE WARM FRONT/ ACROSS FAR NORTHERN PORTIONS OF AL/MS. EXTREME LOW LEVEL SHEAR...VIA LONG/CURVING LOW LEVEL HODOGRAPHS...WILL REMAIN HIGHLY CONDUCIVE FOR SUPERCELLS CAPABLE OF LONG-TRACK STRONG/VIOLENT TORNADOES INTO THIS EVENING AMID 0-1 KM SRH OF 300-500 M2/S2 OR GREATER /ESPECIALLY NEAR THE AFOREMENTIONED NORTHERN MS AND AL BOUNDARY/. ..GUYER.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyhb Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 4/27/11, probably the strongest worded MCD I've ever seen, and rightly so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metalicwx366 Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 4/27/11, probably the strongest worded MCD I've ever seen, and rightly so.Yep that's right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyhb Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 Had to take out a part of the text as it may have gave it away. MESOSCALE DISCUSSION ____ NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK 0442 PM CDT ______________ AREAS AFFECTED...SRN/ERN KS...MUCH OF OK...SWRN MO...NWRN AR CONCERNING...TORNADO WATCH ___...___... VALID _______ - _______ THE SEVERE WEATHER THREAT FOR TORNADO WATCH ___...___...CONTINUES. >Omitted text was here. RAPID BOUNDARY LAYER RECOVERY IS UNDERWAY ACROSS SCNTRL KS INTO NERN OK AHEAD OF SFC LOW ALONG THE KS/OK BORDER WEST OF PNC. FOCUSED PRESSURE FALLS ARE NOTED JUST AHEAD OF THIS FEATURE WITH 2 HOUR FALLS ON THE ORDER OF 4-7MB. NEEDLESS TO SAY SHEAR AND THERMODYNAMIC PARAMETERS ARE UNUSUALLY STRONG AND VERY SUPPORTIVE OF VIOLENT TORNADIC SUPERCELLS. LATEST RADAR TRENDS SUGGEST EARLIER ISOLATED ACTIVITY IS NOW MORE CONCENTRATED AND FOCUSED ALONG SURGING DRYLINE WITH AT LEAST HALF A DOZEN STRONG TO RAPIDLY INTENSIFYING SUPERCELLS...A FEW WITH POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT TORNADOES...FROM KINGMAN COUNTY KS...ARCING TO THE WEST AND SOUTHWEST OF OKC IN SWRN OKLAHOMA. LATEST THINKING IS SPEED/MOVEMENT OF CURRENT ACTIVITY WILL REQUIRE AN ADDITIONAL TORNADO WATCH TO BE ISSUED OVER SERN KS/SWRN MO/NERN OK/NWRN AR SHORTLY. ..DARROW.. _________ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tornadotony Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 5/24/11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunder Road Posted July 8, 2013 Author Share Posted July 8, 2013 5/8/03? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 I've got one if y'all let me go next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyhb Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 Nope to 5/8/03 or 5/24/11. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunder Road Posted July 8, 2013 Author Share Posted July 8, 2013 I've got one if y'all let me go next. Sure. Once we figure out Andy's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewxmann Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 05/10/10? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyhb Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 05/10/10? Bingo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 STORM PREDICTION CENTER...NWS/NCEP...NORMAN OK DAY 1 CONVECTIVE OUTLOOK VALID __1630Z - __1200Z THERE IS A SLGT RISK OF SVR TSTMS TO THE RIGHT OF A LINE FROM ERI PIT CRW CSV HSV 50 SW CBM 20 SW GWO 55 SW MEM 20 SW CGI LAF AZO 10 E OSC. GEN TSTMS ARE FCST TO THE RIGHT OF A LINE FROM 20 NNE GLS 50 NW ESF 20 NE PBF 25 SW POF 40 WSW SPI DBQ LNR 10 NE GRB ANJ ...CONT... HUL MWN ALB CXY DAN GSO SPA AGS 20 SSE SAV. ...LOWER OHIO/TENNESSEE VALLEYS INTO GREAT LAKES... UPPER TROUGH EXTENDING SWD FROM LOW IN NWRN IA INTO ERN TX. UPSTREAM VIGOROUS TROUGH MOVING RAPIDLY EWD ACROSS SWRN CANADA WILL PROVIDE KICKER TO FORCE CENTRAL U.S. TROUGH NEWD ACROSS MID MS VALLEY AND WRN OH VALLEY BY THIS EVENING. STRONG...GENERALLY UNIDIRECTIONAL SSWLY FLOW AHEAD OF TROUGH AND SURFACE FRONTAL ZONE. COLD FRONT AT 15Z EXTENDED FROM WRN IL...SSWWD INTO SWRN AR WITH A WEAK SURFACE WAVE ON FRONT SRN IL. THE SLY FLOW IN ADVANCE OF FRONT IS VERY MOIST WITH DEWPOINTS AOA 70F EXTENDING NWD INTO SRN MI. LAPSE RATES IN THIS AIRMASS IS RATHER WEAK....5-6C/KM...HOWEVER WHERE HEATING IS ABLE TO OCCUR MLCAPES UPWARDS TO 1500 J/KM SHOULD DEVELOP BY MID AFTERNOON. WHILE PRIMARY THREAT TODAY WILL BE WIND DAMAGE IN THE STRONG 40-60 KT FLOW AT MID LEVELS...THERE IS SUFFICIENT TURNING IN THE BOUNDARY LAYER TO SUPPORT THREAT OF ISOLATED SUPERCELLS...PARTICULARLY WRN TN AND OH VALLEY WHERE AFTERNOON TEMPS SHOULD WARM INTO THE MID 80S. GIVEN ONLY A WEAK CAP...SURFACE BASED STORMS WILL INCREASE QUICKLY EARLY THIS AFTERNOON. FAST STORM MOTION AROUND 40KT WILL ENHANCE WIND DAMAGE POTENTIAL. STORMS SHOULD EVOLVE INTO LINES FROM WRN KY/TN WITH BOWING SEGMENTS. WITH THE LOW LFC'S OF AROUND 1KM ISOLATED TORNADOES ARE POSSIBLE WITH ANY SUPERCELLS THAT DEVELOP AS HELICITIES IN WARM SECTOR AHEAD OF FRONT WILL BE FROM 100-200 J/KG. FURTHER N CONSIDERABLE CLOUDINESS AND PCPN ACROSS MI/IN INTO NWRN OH SHOULD RESULT IN A REDUCED THREAT OF SEVERE MUCH OF AFTERNOON. HOWEVER BY LATE AFTERNOON ACTIVITY FROM FURTHER S LIKELY WILL DEVELOP RAPIDLY NEWD INTO THIS AREA WITH A THREAT FOR WIND DAMAGE INTO THIS EVENING AS UPPER TROUGH ROTATES THROUGH THE AREA. ..HALES.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunder Road Posted July 8, 2013 Author Share Posted July 8, 2013 05/10/10? Bingo. Damn it! This was my first guess, but for some reason I didn't remember Kansas being as much in play. Just curious, what's the give-away statement that you had to omit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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