powderfreak Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 Do they have a microburst quota or something? It must be really hard to decide between an EF0 and straight line winds, and if they have to find overwhelming evidence of a TOR, then it's going to be easier to prove straight line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 Looks like I missed a funnel cloud here in West Hartford yesterday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 My honest opinion and its just that an opinion.. And not a dig,, is that they got in a lot of trouble after the Springfield TOR which was OTG for 20 mins before it was warned. They are being scrutinized much more so now and if they didn't have a TOR warning out for it, and then confirm there in fact was a TOR during the survey they are going to be penalized and questioned by their higher ups. Ehhh I'd be careful with that type of stuff. I highly doubt there is anything more to the story except they just didnt find enough evidence to whatever satisfaction or confidence level they needed. I wouldn't start bashing them or talking conspiracy because they didnt label what might have been a brief EF0 that like you said was skipping the treetops above 800ft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 Again yes to me it does matter. I know what I and others saw. To everyone else I know it doesn't matter and no one cares what I think. I just don't want people to think this was straight line wind damage because that's not what it was. I believe you, especially with your idea of it being above the trees at elevations below 800ft. But still, we are talking about a very short, narrow path of an EF0. Just enjoy what you saw and don't think about the classification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quincy Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 Wiz, was that the remnant cell that traveled from Watertown to Windsor? When I was positioned in Windsor I noticed that there was some very weak rotation trying to get back together. It may have passed a bit further north though and was relatively early, sometime around or a bit before 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 Wiz, was that the remnant cell that traveled from Watertown to Windsor? When I was positioned in Windsor I noticed that there was some very weak rotation trying to get back together. It may have passed a bit further north though and was relatively early, sometime around or a bit before 3. From the caption of the pic, this was the cell which went on to produce the tornado in Andover/Coventry/Mansfield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIPPYVALLEY Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 It must be really hard to decide between an EF0 and straight line winds, and if they have to find overwhelming evidence of a TOR, then it's going to be easier to prove straight line. The 5/27/10 storm in Greenfield was classified as severe with straightline winds but what I experienced was swirling wind that my wife and I both felt dropped straight out of the sky. Damage in the two next door neighbors yards were trees twisted in all directions, trees were dropped same direction in my yard and the next three yards and then twisted swirls of trees again a few hundered yards south. Tornado? Don't know, it was dark but sure seemed like one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 hmmm...pretty interesting...seems like CT has an active decade every other decade...for the most part 1950's: 17 tornadoes 1960's: 9 tornadoes 1970's: 20 tornadoes 1980's: 8 tornadoes 1990's: 15 tornadoes 2000's: 15 tornadoes 2010's: 11 tornadoes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 Ehhh I'd be careful with that type of stuff. I highly doubt there is anything more to the story except they just didnt find enough evidence to whatever satisfaction or confidence level they needed. I wouldn't start bashing them or talking conspiracy because they didnt label what might have been a brief EF0 that like you said was skipping the treetops above 800ft. Again that is not a bash. I personally know several of the fine folks at Box. They do a fine job, but everyone reports to someone and big brother is always watching. It's simply based on intel and my opinion. No bashing at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quincy Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 From the caption of the pic, this was the cell which went on to produce the tornado in Andover/Coventry/Mansfield The track of the storm would have been too far north to pass through West Hartford. Maybe that was Kev's storm? Here are some video clips of scud I captured between 3:15 and 3:20 p.m. on I-91 near or just north of Hartford. https://vine.co/v/h7FrhZZ9KwI https://vine.co/v/h7F6zU973l5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 The 5/27/10 storm in Greenfield was classified as severe with straightline winds but what I experienced was swirling wind that my wife and I both felt dropped straight out of the sky. Damage in the two next door neighbors yards were trees twisted in all directions, trees were dropped same direction in my yard and the next three yards and then twisted swirls of trees again a few hundered yards south. Tornado? Don't know, it was dark but sure seemed like one. Given what they need for classification of a tornado, it makes me think there are probably a bunch of EF0 spin ups that go unaccounted for. I always wondered that with hurricane landfalls...I mean you have a CAT3 come ashore and some 100-200 yard wide swath gets an EF0 or EF1 spin up....how the heck are you going to tell the difference between hurricane and weak 70mph tornado winds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sickman Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 My honest opinion and its just that an opinion.. And not a dig,, is that they got in a lot of trouble after the Springfield TOR which was OTG for 20 mins before it was warned. They are being scrutinized much more so now and if they didn't have a TOR warning out for it, and then confirm there in fact was a TOR during the survey they are going to be penalized and questioned by their higher ups. Probably best to not throw out conspiracy theories like this, dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 The track of the storm would have been too far north to pass through West Hartford. Maybe that was Kev's storm? Here are some video clips of scud I captured between 3:15 and 3:20 p.m. on I-91 near or just north of Hartford. https://vine.co/v/h7FrhZZ9KwI https://vine.co/v/h7F6zU973l5 hmmm...that may be the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quincy Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 Here's a visual of the confirmed tornado. Based on my estimate from radar and NWS info (they didn't give street names) it passed just south of UConn and just NW of the city of Willimantic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 Are we now looking at a rain free weekend? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Rain Posted July 11, 2013 Author Share Posted July 11, 2013 My honest opinion and its just that an opinion.. And not a dig,, is that they got in a lot of trouble after the Springfield TOR which was OTG for 20 mins before it was warned. They are being scrutinized much more so now and if they didn't have a TOR warning out for it, and then confirm there in fact was a TOR during the survey they are going to be penalized and questioned by their higher ups. Seriously? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 Seriously???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Rain Posted July 11, 2013 Author Share Posted July 11, 2013 ??? Your argument is ridiculous. The tornado they confirmed in Andover touched down before the warning was issued... Same story last week in Windsor. There's nothing nefarious going on... Just a disappointed weenie that a rotating cloud never touched down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 It still bugs me to this day that the NWS did not survey an obvious tornado which spun up 100 yards behind my house as Hurricane Bobs eye made landfall just to my west in Newport RI. The damage path was about 200 yards wide, very circular in pattern with a 1/2 mile long corn field directly effected showing easily the circulation. The damage started at the top of my road about one mile from my house in Ashaway RI. Twisting three telephone poles then traveling SE with the damage ending in Bradford RI about 2.5 miles away. I heard the roar and saw the funnel moving violently with rapid motion. I was then a trained spotter with PVD. Called it in twice, the local papers reported it from other sources including the fire chief. No survey was ever done. Important to only the weenie? No, important to the historical land falling official records of NHC, the database of Tornados in RI. I did see a couple of papers on Bob mention an unconfirmed tornado in RI. So yea sometimes it does matter. In Kevin's case they surveyed and decided no, I would live with that as at least they surveyed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
free_man Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 Your argument is ridiculous. The tornado they confirmed in Andover touched down before the warning was issued... Same story last week in Windsor. There's nothing nefarious going on... Just a disappointed weenie that a rotating cloud never touched down. I don't think it is ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 Your argument is ridiculous. The tornado they confirmed in Andover touched down before the warning was issued... Same story last week in Windsor. There's nothing nefarious going on... Just a disappointed weenie that a rotating cloud never touched down.The videos and ground truth prove otherwise as other knowledgable posters have clearly laid out. In the end folks can come to whatever conclusion they choose. That's the beauty of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 Speaking of ridiculous things, I just noticed the forecast here is for low 50s tonight. Kev might have something on one of the most humid stretches in a long time as I also noticed MVL hasn't had a min below 60F since June 22nd! That's 2.5 weeks in mountain valley that radiates well, that hasn't seen a temp below 60 sine June 22nd. Our last temp in the 30s was on June 20th. That's called flipping a switch...going from a low in the 30s, to 2.5 weeks of 60<.. We never go that long without getting into the 50s at least...and last July we had a grand total of 5 days with mins above 60...more days were spent with morning temps in the 40s than in the 60s last July. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerz_nailz Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 Here's a visual of the confirmed tornado. Based on my estimate from radar and NWS info (they didn't give street names) it passed just south of UConn and just NW of the city of Willimantic. torFB.png That's about right. It passed a mile south of us on rte 31. I was checking out all the reports for the storm heading up thru Union and then my wife called from the road about a radio report of a possible tornado from Andover to Coventry. The tree tops started blowing around about a minute later. We saw some good sized branches above the house that seemed to be very high and getting higher and blowing towards the west. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey2002 Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 Given what they need for classification of a tornado, it makes me think there are probably a bunch of EF0 spin ups that go unaccounted for. Especially in the old days... cell phones have confirmed a lot of EF-0 tornadoes that otherwise would have been classified as microbursts. I remember hearing about a small tornado touching down probably 15+ years ago at the Gottier farm on Sugar Hill Rd in Tolland. Nothing ever got confirmed, even though there were a bunch of people who witnessed the tornado. I imagine this happened a lot more as you go back further in time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baroclinic Zone Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 The videos and ground truth prove otherwise as other knowledgable posters have clearly laid out. In the end folks can come to whatever conclusion they choose. That's the beauty of it indeed, but the official one is all that matters for the records. you act as if the nws did not do a field survey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Rain Posted July 12, 2013 Author Share Posted July 12, 2013 The videos and ground truth prove otherwise as other knowledgable posters have clearly laid out. In the end folks can come to whatever conclusion they choose. That's the beauty of it Inconclusive videos and 2 mets doing a damage survey say no tornado. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cary Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 The videos and ground truth prove otherwise as other knowledgable posters have clearly laid out. In the end folks can come to whatever conclusion they choose. That's the beauty of it lol ground truth. The only conclusion that matters (NWS) has been determined. It wasn't a tornado. Not the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey2002 Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 Based on my estimate from radar and NWS info (they didn't give street names) it passed just south of UConn Nice map. Yeah, this video was taken on Browns Rd, less than 3 miles south of UConn: http://landing.newsinc.com/shared/video.html?freewheel=91085&sitesection=sehartfordcourant&VID=24940237 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cary Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 Again yes to me it does matter. I know what I and others saw. To everyone else I know it doesn't matter and no one cares what I think. I just don't want people to think this was straight line wind damage because that's not what it was. It wasn't a tornado. The NWS did their job and came to their conclusions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baroclinic Zone Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 hell, they may have even gotten aerial verification Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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