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July. High summer 2013-a humid and warm start. Is big heat lurking? Banter ok here.

weathafella

By weathafella,
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dendrite

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Well, not on it, but right next to it.  Remember that the station exists for public safety at the airport, not climate monitoring though they are used that way.  I'm not saying that they are inaccurate, it's just what they are there for.  I'll see if I can find some pictures or examples.

 

I've seen ones I've seen are over open grass areas - mowed and otherwise.  BDL's used to be in a corn field at the eastern end of the airport but I think that landowner changed and it's no longer a corn field and the station moved.  IMHO, that change has made BDL a much warmer place at night.

Most are sited fine. There's a link somewhere where hundreds of ASOS sites are shown with pictures at every 22.5 degrees.

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Mr. Windcredible!

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Another heat advisory fail by OKX.  BDR, GON & HVN with the highest heat indicies in the state by 5-7 degrees this hour (99, 103, & 100 respectively) yet coastal CT not in their advisory. Even the HI's on LI are 98-99 this hour, better than just about anything else in their advisory area outside of EWR.

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Brian5671

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Another heat advisory fail by OKX.  BDR, GON & HVN with the highest heat indicies in the state by 5-7 degrees this hour (99, 103, & 100 respectively) yet coastal CT not in their advisory. Even the HI's on LI are 98-99 this hour, better than just about anything else in their advisory area outside of EWR.

what a joke those advisories are anyway...what exactly do they tell the public that they don't already know--it's hot, walk out side and figure it out....and love how Northern Fairfield Cty has one, but southern does not--that would seem to imply that the heat is no big deal in the southern half of the county...a joke

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Mr. Windcredible!

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I really think OKX overestimates the influence of LI sound this time of year. Unless you are literally on the beach, the water is doing nothing to keep temps down a mile or two inland. And if it does, it's usually made up for by slightly higher DPs. Yet they like to act like there's a strong south wind and LI is still in the 50's. 

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CoastalWx

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what a joke those advisories are anyway...what exactly do they tell the public that they don't already know--it's hot, walk out side and figure it out....and love how Northern Fairfield Cty has one, but southern does not--that would seem to imply that the heat is no big deal in the southern half of the county...a joke

 

I don't care if it's 86F..if your TD is 74 or higher, it's dangerous for outdoor activity without proper care.

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Brian5671

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I really think OKX overestimates the influence of LI sound this time of year. Unless you are literally on the beach, the water is doing nothing to keep temps down a mile or two inland. And if it does, it's usually made up for by slightly higher DPs. Yet they like to act like there's a strong south wind and LI is still in the 50's. 

They just expanded to their whole coverage area....a day late and dollar short as they say...92/72 at BDR this hour..impressive.

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Another heat advisory fail by OKX.  BDR, GON & HVN with the highest heat indicies in the state by 5-7 degrees this hour (99, 103, & 100 respectively) yet coastal CT not in their advisory. Even the HI's on LI are 98-99 this hour, better than just about anything else in their advisory area outside of EWR.

GON's isn't legit. GON's dew should be 71-72.

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Mr. Windcredible!

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I don't care if it's 86F..if your TD is 74 or higher, it's dangerous for outdoor activity without proper care.

 

exactly. at least OKX is paying attention...they just expanded the advisory to coastal zones. not sure why they insist on playing the influence of coastal waters card in setups like this. They occasionally get burned by it in the winter too. I live just 3 miles inland, and sometimes it's different worlds between here and the immediate shoreline. I know the impact of the waters varies and it's not easy to forecast for the transition zone...but days like today they shouldn't be wasting time trying to get all cutesy with their advisories. It's hot, just put up the heat advisory with everyone else and be done with it.

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exactly. at least OKX is paying attention...they just expanded the advisory to coastal zones. not sure why they insist on playing the influence of coastal waters card in setups like this. They occasionally get burned by it in the winter too. I live just 3 miles inland, and sometimes it's different worlds between here and the immediate shoreline. I know the impact of the waters varies and it's not easy to forecast for the transition zone...but days like today they shouldn't be wasting time trying to get all cutesy with their advisories. It's hot, just put up the heat advisory with everyone else and be done with it.

I live 5 miles inland and agree 100%.  They should redraw the county maps to be south of Rte 1 for the southern zones....

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exactly. at least OKX is paying attention...they just expanded the advisory to coastal zones. not sure why they insist on playing the influence of coastal waters card in setups like this. They occasionally get burned by it in the winter too. I live just 3 miles inland, and sometimes it's different worlds between here and the immediate shoreline. I know the impact of the waters varies and it's not easy to forecast for the transition zone...but days like today they shouldn't be wasting time trying to get all cutesy with their advisories. It's hot, just put up the heat advisory with everyone else and be done with it.

i think the big thing is days like today when the gradient is light or has any offshore component to it. those are the ones that "bust".

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powderfreak

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Noone agrees with you lol..Everyone has admitted dews are higher in rural locales than macs...It's not up for debate

I agree with him.

You are assuming everyone lives under heavily treed properties too. Lots of people in rural areas (at least in VT) live near or along big fields which is essentially the same as where most ASOS are sited.

You also make it sound like airports are these huge paved areas...the airports up here like MVL, MPV, HIE, BML, etc all can't even land commercial airlines yet their dews run lower than most PWS. A lot of it has to do with lackluster equipment at PWS.

You just have to know that when 99% of mets discussing or any meteorological data that includes dew points will be taken from ASOS...like for heat advisories and verification of those products.

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I agree with him.

You are assuming everyone lives under heavily treed properties too. Lots of people in rural areas (at least in VT) live near or along big fields which is essentially the same as where most ASOS are sited.

You also make it sound like airports are these huge paved areas...the airports up here like MVL, MPV, HIE, BML, etc all can't even land commercial airlines yet their dews run lower than most PWS. A lot of it has to do with lackluster equipment at PWS.

You just have to know that when 99% of mets discussing or any meteorological data that includes dew points will be taken from ASOS...like for heat advisories and verification of those products.

sounds like no one agrees with KFS. 

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Omfg . I am not saying the ASOS are wrong. They are correct for their sites. Just like the home sensors are correct in their sites. I don't understand why everyone gets so upset about that? The readings are just a product of their surrounding environments.

 

Just like car thermo's are accurate too.

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dendrite

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Omfg . I am not saying the ASOS are wrong. They are correct for their sites. Just like the home sensors are correct in their sites. I don't understand why everyone gets so upset about that? The readings are just a product of their surrounding environments.

Your home station is not properly sited. What is so hard to understand?

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Omfg . I am not saying the ASOS are wrong. They are correct for their sites. Just like the home sensors are correct in their sites. I don't understand why everyone gets so upset about that? The readings are just a product of their surrounding environments.

But there's a recognized environment for measuring these variables and it's in a field, not at your home. Also ASOS stations cost thousands of dollars and are much more accurate at recording these variables than the typical home weather station which costs fifty bucks. There is a quality of equipment and data issue you aren't recognizing.
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