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July. High summer 2013-a humid and warm start. Is big heat lurking? Banter ok here.

weathafella

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CapturedNature

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If you don't have a beach, where's the next best place to ride out a hot day?

4,000ft....64F with a 30mph breeze feels great. We should get into the low 70s this afternoon.

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I was in Burlington in May 1995 when Burlington had it's hottest May weather ever and I remember taking refuge in the hills.  I drove up to Smugglers Notch and it was warm, even there so I drove up to the top and found relief there.  When I was at Lyndon in the late 80s I spent a summer up there instead of coming home and I remember spending one particularly warm day with my buddies on Mt Washington so I know what you mean.

 

Mountains can be great relief...

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HoarfrostHubb

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It'd be sad to break a monthly record from primarily torch mins...especially in July. If we found the monthly means via integration from hourly obs rather than (max+min)/2 I think we'd see this month's ranking lower. With 9hrs of darkness and 15hrs of sunlight, the mins in the latter example are given more weight from an energy consumption standpoint. I think this is why many here, including me, have been meh on the impressiveness of the torch thus far. Don't get me wrong, it's still impressive, but it doesn't feel record breaking. Maybe this week will give more oomph to the max temps, but I'm strictly talking thus far.

Truly bootleg. 2010 had more hear. This is a 1988 redux kind with the high mins. At least this week gives it some teeth, but sort of meh here
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N. OF PIKE

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It'd be sad to break a monthly record from primarily torch mins...especially in July. If we found the monthly means via integration from hourly obs rather than (max+min)/2 I think we'd see this month's ranking lower. With 9hrs of darkness and 15hrs of sunlight, the mins in the latter example are given more weight from an energy consumption standpoint. I think this is why many here, including me, have been meh on the impressiveness of the torch thus far. Don't get me wrong, it's still impressive, but it doesn't feel record breaking. Maybe this week will give more oomph to the max temps, but I'm strictly talking thus far.

Well bos has had 11 90 degree days and will have a few more his week

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Damage In Tolland

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Noone feels the diff if its 91 or 97. It's the dews that determine how people feel and how the month / summer will be remembered. You can't find anyone that hasn't been complaining about this summer. They know its the humidity . Doesn't matter if its min or max. If it doesn't cool at night and dews stay in 70's that is what folks remember. Not whether it was 91 or 97

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Noone feels the diff if its 91 or 97. It's the dews that determine how people feel and how the month / summer will be remembered. You can't find anyone that hasn't been complaining about this summer. They know its the humidity . Doesn't matter if its min or max. If it doesn't cool at night and dews stay in 70's that is what folks remember. Not whether it was 91 or 97

Yawn... If dews are so important why did we have to manually search for the record of above 70 dews while such records are readily available for temperatures? This sucks! I really hope that this summer is remember by either a significant severe weather outbreak or Tim Kelley's hurricanes of doom :)
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I was noting that July 1955 was pretty hot...we did well that year tropically.  Unlike this year, I think we were dry heading into the tropical season.

 

Just a tick less warm than 1994 and 2010.  (My data has those two latter years in a dead heat, to the 5th decimal - 77.12903. lol)  This year it's doing it with minima, as others have noted.  The 1-14 avg high of 87.6 is easily short of the 89.2 set in 1966.  The avg low of 71.4 is totally uncharted territory.  The avg low was 66.6 in 1994, nearly 5F cooler than this July so far. 

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Noone feels the diff if its 91 or 97. It's the dews that determine how people feel and how the month / summer will be remembered. You can't find anyone that hasn't been complaining about this summer. They know its the humidity . Doesn't matter if its min or max. If it doesn't cool at night and dews stay in 70's that is what folks remember. Not whether it was 91 or 97

 

Exactly...no one is complaining about the heat but they are complaining about the humidity.  I think that's why saying it's the hottest July on record doesn't fit.  For most people it just feels humid, not hot.

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Just a tick less warm than 1994 and 2010.  (My data has those two latter years in a dead heat, to the 5th decimal - 77.12903. lol)  This year it's doing it with minima, as others have noted.  The 1-14 avg high of 87.6 is easily short of the 89.2 set in 1966.  The avg low of 71.4 is totally uncharted territory.  The avg low was 66.6 in 1994, nearly 5F cooler than this July so far. 

 

That's what I saw.  I always feel bad for a record that is just a hair behind the previous one. 

 

How about that 1966 average high?  I'll bet that seemed like a hot month to come close to average high of 90 over an entire month!

 

There's still half the month left and lots of time for different things to happen but yeah, we could blow the average low record away.

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I think a week in the 90's for many locales will put an end to the argument that it hasn't been hot.

it's definitely hot. :lol:

 

but i agree with what dendrite is saying...it's not like a 3 or 4 day stretch of places being in the upper 90s with one day nearing or hitting the century mark like we sometimes see. not memorable in that way. 

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It always does but relative to climo south is where you want to be. Raw numbers will likely be higher iyby.

Yeah we have a much lower variation relative to climo from year to year vs areas to the south where average snowfall is lower. Even if New England as a whole has a good winter, you guys down south will likely have larger percentages relative to normal...given that say 20" above normal at BOS will do a lot more that 20" above up here percentage wise.

But I still feel like we hear that snowfall anomalies will be south of NNE every year...however it's all part of the game. What's the point going into winter thinking it'll never snow?

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Mr. Windcredible!

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Could not imagine sleeping in these conditions w/o AC.

 

My wife takes the kids to camp today (she's camp nurse for the week). Appears she picked a bad week. Cabins with no A/C. It's W MA, close to 2000 ft, so it won't be as brutal as the valley...but no walk in the park either. I still expect overnight temps to struggle to get much below 70. I have to go up for one night tomorrow night...not looking forward to it...not sure how she's gonna do it for multiple nights before the relief moves in this weekend.

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dewpoints on the coastal plain are horrible. inland a bit they seem a bit more tolerable...closer to 68-70 instead of the hideous 71-76F stuff on the coast. a really high end mesonet site on the Cape that i installed has a dew of 78F. lol. 

 

Yeah, brutal out there already.  74 DP at TAN,  Shooting for 90F by 11am.

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Could not imagine sleeping in these conditions w/o AC.

Growing up in Baltimore our family didn't have enough money for AC. Just one window fan in the house. It was murder. I remember night after night of sticking to the sheets as the house was in the 80's with these dews. Most of the poorer people in downtown Baltimore back in the 60's and 70's had no AC as the city would only briefly get down to 80F for minimums in heat waves. Now I keep my house as cool as possible.

On a separate note I was reading that June had the fast Arctic ice melt of any June and we are on a pace to break a record for least Arctic sea ice. The planet as a whole has now not had a below average month temperature wise in 27 years, pretty amazing!

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My wife takes the kids to camp today (she's camp nurse for the week). Appears she picked a bad week. Cabins with no A/C. It's W MA, close to 2000 ft, so it won't be as brutal as the valley...but no walk in the park either. I still expect overnight temps to struggle to get much below 70. I have to go up for one night tomorrow night...not looking forward to it...not sure how she's gonna do it for multiple nights before the relief moves in this weekend.

upton's still got 90 here for Sat-83 for Sunday.   I wonder how much "relief" we'll get.  We had less than a day on the last go around before the humidity came surging back...

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Exactly...no one is complaining about the heat but they are complaining about the humidity. I think that's why saying it's the hottest July on record doesn't fit. For most people it just feels humid, not hot.

Bingo. It's like setting a record for the coldest January on record but never really getting below zero because its windy every day. Folks can remember the wind chills (or humidity in this case), but it seems bootleg to set an extreme record without actually seeing that month's true extremes (like -25 in January or a bunch of 95+ in July).

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Growing up in Baltimore our family didn't have enough money for AC. Just one window fan in the house. It was murder. I remember night after night of sticking to the sheets as the house was in the 80's with these dews. Most of the poorer people in downtown Baltimore back in the 60's and 70's had no AC as the city would only briefly get down to 80F for minimums in heat waves. Now I keep my house as cool as possible.

On a separate note I was reading that June had the fast Arctic ice melt of any June and we are on a pace to break a record for least Arctic sea ice. The planet as a whole has now not had a blow average month temperature wise in 27 years, pretty amazing!

Wow.   Growing up in the mid-Atlantic, I've never had a house w/o CAC. So when I bought both of the houses in CT, I did not even consider anything w/o air..... Could not imagine that...guess if you haven't had it, you're a bit more used to it, but 80 at night would be brutal....

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