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Severe Threat June 11-13


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Well, it's been reasonably quiet svr wise up here in Michiana but all signs point to a doozy tomorrow.  Will that be tornadic supercells or a strong derecho?  Hi-res models have varied.  I guess you just have to pay your money and take your choice.  The June 2012 derecho spent its fury just slightly south of me as it passed by, but Patrick, if you are chasing, stay far away from any trees and powerlines.

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I really like the high end wind threat tomorrow but i'm just not seeing much in the way of twisters outside a modest threat for areas further east along the warm front.  When the convection goes up across IA/IL tomorrow, it's going to get messy really quick and I'm not sure any discrete cells will have much rooms before quickly organizing into a classic comma complex.

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I really like the high end wind threat tomorrow but i'm just not seeing much in the way of twisters outside a modest threat for areas further east along the warm front.  When the convection goes up across IA/IL tomorrow, it's going to get messy really quick and I'm not sure any discrete cells will have much rooms before quickly organizing into a classic comma complex.

There is some really good low level shear over IA/IL, I don't think it will go linear that quickly, if it doesn't there will be a decent tornado potential with that stuff, especially along/near the warm front that might intersect LOT's CWA.

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Well, it's been reasonably quiet svr wise up here in Michiana but all signs point to a doozy tomorrow.  Will that be tornadic supercells or a strong derecho?  Hi-res models have varied.  I guess you just have to pay your money and take your choice.  The June 2012 derecho spent its fury just slightly south of me as it passed by, but Patrick, if you are chasing, stay far away from any trees and powerlines.

 

A better view of the 4 km NAM...

 

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This would pretty much keep the central and southern areas of the moderate risk area high and dry. Might see some changes at 2AM. I would suspect a northward shift in both the slight and moderate risk areas.

 

A supercell or two could tag along on the southern end.  Could also be a derecho with multiple embedded rotating cells.

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new day 1 removes the mod risk (which was doing essentially nothing) and pulls the slight risk back northwest.

The previous moderate risk was for higher wind probs for derecho potential with the evolving WY/SD MCS. So it wasn't supposed to be doing anything yet. Obviously they don't think as highly of that threat now though.

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Thoughts on tomorrow Joe?

This is what I posted elsewhere this afternoon...

If any complex develops this afternoon/evening, it will be from the wave currently across IA/MO...with the associated activity already pushing through W. IL. So pretty much every short term model that shows it would be several hours too slow...Which is the norm. Given sig capping in place, any upscale growth most likely wouldn't occur until activity pushes down into E. IL/IN/NW. KY. 50/50 shot nothing interesting comes of this activity or you get a decent MCS in the OV.

Then tonight you have a shot at some elevated activity around/north of the warm front...Along with the MCS that gets going in SD.

If the SD MCS is sustained, it likely pushes through MN/N. IA/WI/N. IL early in the day, with a shot it brushes Alek with a hit to the north. This is followed by the main show during the afternoon and evening in IL (I-88/80 and south)/IN/OH/S. MI.

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update via LOT...

 

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE CHICAGO/ROMEOVILLE IL
837 PM CDT TUE JUN 11 2013

.DISCUSSION...
834 PM CDT

A FEW THOUGHTS REGARDING THE THUNDERSTORM THREAT OVERNIGHT AND THE
MODERATE RISK FOR SEVERE WEATHER WEDNESDAY...

THIS EVENING...A WARM FRONT EXTENDS FROM WESTERN IOWA EAST TOWARDS
IOWA CITY...THEN LOSES ITS DEFINITION SOUTHEAST INTO CENTRAL
ILLINOIS. LOW TO MID 70 DEWPOINTS ARE POOLING ALONG THE BOUNDARY TO
OUR WEST...BUT AS A 20Z SOUNDING OUT OF DVN SHOWED...A STRONG CAP IS
IN PLACE WITH 825MB TEMPS AROUND 21C. LATEST RAP GUIDANCE INDICATES
THE THE CAP WILL REMAIN IN PLACE THROUGH THE REMAINDER OF THE
EVENING AND TONIGHT. WITH THAT SAID....THE THREAT FOR SEVERE WEATHER
THROUGH THE REMAINDER OF TODAY HAS GREATLY DIMINISHED. FOCUS TURNS
OUT TO THE WEST TONIGHT WHERE A 50-60KT LOW LEVEL JET IS EXPECTED TO
DEVELOP WITH THE BEST MOISTURE CONVERGENCE FOCUSED OVER CENTRAL
NEBRASKA...AND BY MIDNIGHT TONIGHT SLIGHTLY FARTHER EAST OVER THE
MID MISSOURI VALLEY. DESPITE THE FOCUS BEING WELL OFF TO OUR
WEST...THERE IS SOME ASCENT ALONG THE WARM FRONT SO CANT RULE OUT
SOMETHING TRYING TO DEVELOP THIS EVENING NORTH OF THE WARM
FRONT AND MOVING INTO NORTHERN ILLINOIS...BUT EXPECT COVERAGE TO
BE LOW AWAY FROM THE BETTER FORCING WITH THE LLJ. WITH THAT IN
MIND...LOWERED POPS ACROSS MUCH OF THE CWA FOR THE OVERNIGHT
HOURS AND FEEL THEY MAY STILL BE ON THE HIGH END. CONVECTIVE
ALLOWING MODELS STILL SHOW AN MCS DEVELOPING AT THE NOSE OF THE
LLJ TONIGHT...AND BY DAYBREAK TOMORROW POSSIBLY MOVING INTO
NORTHWESTERN ILLINOIS...BUT MORE LIKELY STAYING NORTH OF THE STATE
LINE. EITHER WAY...LLJ IS VEERING AND WEAKENING BY THAT TIME SO
CONVECTION SHOULD BE IN A WEAKENING PHASE.

THE STORM PREDICTION CENTER CONTINUES TO CARRY US UNDER A MODERATE
RISK WEDNESDAY AND THIS SEEMS TO BE ON TRACK. APPEARS WE WILL BE
UNDER A PRETTY DYNAMIC ENVIRONMENT TOMORROW AS A COUPLED JET SETS UP
WITH THE BEST UPPER LEVEL DIVERGENCE OVER CENTRAL AND NORTHERN
ILLINOIS. MODERATE HEIGHT FALLS ASSOCIATED WITH THE MID LEVEL WAVE
MOVING INTO THE AREA LATE AFTERNOON/EARLY EVENING TOMORROW WILL
PROVIDE LARGE SCALE ASCENT ACROSS THE AREA TO HELP WEAKEN THE CAP.
THE SURFACE LOW TRACKS EAST ACROSS THE MISSISSIPPI VALLEY JUST SOUTH
OF MLI...THOUGH THERE ARE SOME MODELS SUGGESTING THE LOW TRACK AND
RESULTING SEVERE THREAT MAY TRACK SLIGHTLY FARTHER NORTH. SOME
MODELS ALSO INDICATE THE LOW DEEPENING SLIGHTLY TOMORROW AFTERNOON
WITH 2-4MB PRESSURE FALLS OVERSPREADING AREAS SOUTH OF I-80. THIS
WILL ONLY HELP TO ENHANCE WHAT ALREADY LOOKS TO BE PRETTY
STRONG LOW LEVEL HELICITY TOMORROW. DEEP LAYER SHEAR TOMORROW IS
ALSO FORECAST TO BE QUITE STRONG. ALL SAID THERE IS CONCERN FOR
DISCRETE SUPERCELLS DEVELOPING IN THE AFTERNOON WITH THE WHOLE GAMUT
OF SEVERE WEATHER POSSIBLE...LARGE HAIL...DAMAGING WINDS AND QUITE
POSSIBLY TORNADOES. STORMS SHOULD EVENTUALLY CONGEAL INTO A LINE
WITH THE MAIN THREAT TURNING BECOMING DAMAGING WINDS...THOUGH QLCS
TORNADOES WILL STILL BE A CONCERN. HOW QUICKLY WE TRANSITION FROM
DISCRETE SUPERCELLS TO A LINEAR MCS IS UNCERTAIN. INTERESTING TO
NOTE THAT ONE OF THE TOP CIPS ANALOGS IS JUNE 05 2010 WHICH DID HAVE
DISCRETE SUPERCELLS WITH TORNADOES LATER INTO THE EVENING.

DEUBELBEISS

 

 

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yeah, LOT essentially punting until later Wed which is looking more and more like the heart of Chicagoland could be ground zero

yeah...just told my friend that that makes things all the more potentially dangerous tomorrow around here if that's the case for tonight and tomorrow AM

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As if this setup didn't look dangerous enough (this has a real good chance of getting pretty bad, folks), as someone noted, tomorrow night is game 1 of the Stanley Cup finals at the Madhouse. The wx is going to be the last thing on the collective mind of Chicago tomorrow, not to mention the standing room only crowd at the game and all the packed bars in the city and burbs.

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