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Tropical Disco 2013 SNE

Damage In Tolland

By Damage In Tolland,
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Sorry for misinterpreting the the tone of your post, but there are in fact amateurs who are better at keeping emotion at bay, and therefore can offer a more objective point of viewpoint than some pros.

That is also fact.....meteorology is more than simply succeeding in calculus 8. We are all humans, and there are some pros who allow their affinity for snow and cold to bias there outlooks.

But yes, I appreciate the fact that they probably have a better handle on the complex physics and science at play.

Again, sorry for the misterpretation....didn't mean to come off like that.

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Bob, obviously I chose the most glaring example to and an element of facetiousness.....but in all seriousness, and Will could back me up on this, there have been some occassions where even I could take a look at the placement of a DT derived line of zone demarcation on an sne map prior to an even, and I could use my extensive knowledge of local climo to just immediately disregard it.

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Can't we all just move on from this crap....as far as I know nobody is being paid to post here therefore NO PROFESSIONALS.  We all be weenies

Who knows if TK's statement will/ won't verify. 

We'll get back to this one....

 

I don't need a piece of paper to know where the sun rises and sets. 

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Bob, obviously I chose the most glaring example to and an element of facetiousness.....but in all seriousness, and Will could back me up on this, there have been some occassions where even I could take a look at the placement of a DT derived line of zone demarcation on an sne map prior to an even, and I could use my extensive knowledge of local climo to just immediately disregard it.

 

I know.  I just think, on the whole, that someone who has an education rooted in the Science will have a better grasp than the average enthusiast will.  Sure there are always exceptions to every rule and to ignore those people is wrong too.

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And even a degreed met doesn't know everything. You'd be surprised how bad some degreed people are at forecasting even though they can solve every equation under the sun. I can't speak for all...but I certainly don't look down  upon someone giving an opinion without being a redtagger. Some of the more knowledgeable posters like DonS etc. contribute so much to this board.

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Bob, that is what I said in my retort to John....generally, he is right, but there are exceptions. All I meant.

I can also remember prior to the VD event of 2007, I immediately dispelled the notion of a certain NJ forecaster by the initals of "SD", that NYC would see a heavy snow event.

Some mets' extensive scientific knowledge base is clouded by bias...we're all human.

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Ray, you missed the point entirely...again, going to an adversarial tone yourself in your reply.

 

This is exactly what I am talking about, "just ask."  I'm happy to re-phrase.     

 

Factually, I did not say that you have to be a Meteorologist to "know what you are talking about"  -- I never ever said that.  That is an engineered interpretation, born out of ...some kind of predisposition, rather than an honest read. 

 

Try again ... the point was, don't be adversarial toward any Met that makes mere conjecture.  All it is is a point or opinion, and doesn't require degenerating the course of dialogue into a negative atmosphere.   AND, yes!  If you are not a Meteorologist, you are likely coming from a weaker preparation -- that's just fact.  Not pomp!  It may not be a reality one likes, well.... go sit through the blood sweat and tears of 4 years of Diff-Q and advanced application of principles of Physics to atmospheric problem solving, or prove some  other course recouped the enlightenment -- either one -- then we'll talk.  It just is what it is... 

 

But again...none of that was even relevant to the point:  STOP THE F BADGERING AND ARGUING.  Jesus!    And by the way, I impugned the Mets, too - hello.

but i think you're missing the point of the original discussion. 

 

This is what happens out in the main forum with Tropic threads.  It's happening here, in this thread, albeit in a tamer form.   Someone makes a contrarian and/or bold statement, and summarily, people flame throw, or just in general make for an uncomfortable atmosphere.  

 

For some weird reason, merely throwing out conjecture conjures up resent. Why?  What is it about the tropics that drives people mad?   

 

Just stop. Don't say anything contrarian if you are not trained in meteorology -- because, sorry to push this across this way, you don't know what you are talking about.  NO, you don't. You may think you do because of x, y, z paper read, or enthusiasm for the art of weather over the years, or statistical obsession. But those talents do not necessitate an adversarial anything.  If you disagree with something, ASK.  Politely.   If you are a Met and you know your stuff, why not find a diplomatic way to deliver any disagreements, that doesn't require the poster be backed into some corner of self-defense.   

people don't have to be any more or less polite than they would be to their doctor, mechanic, teacher, name-your-profession.

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Sorry for misinterpreting the the tone of your post, but there are in fact amateurs who are better at keeping emotion at bay, and therefore can offer a more objective point of viewpoint than some pros.

That is also fact.....meteorology is more than simply succeeding in calculus 8. We are all humans, and there are some pros who allow their affinity for snow and cold to bias there outlooks.

But yes, I appreciate the fact that they probably have a better handle on the complex physics and science at play.

Again, sorry for the misterpretation....didn't mean to come off like that.

 

Actually...the best mathematicians on the planet are actually wide-receivers in the NFL.   If you think about it, they don't have to even be consciously aware that they are calculating integrals along a curve; they do it all unconsciously and just end up where the parabolic trajectory of the pass is going to land.

 

haha.  

 

In fact, that is really what Math is -- fearing the OT philosophical babble...  It's taking what all animals on the planet [actually] do unconsciously, and making the rules discrete.  Interesting.

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but i think you're missing the point of the original discussion. 

 

people don't have to be any more or less polite than they would be to their doctor, mechanic, teacher, name-your-profession.

 

I wasn't speaking to any previous point.  I was making a new one, entirely, pertaining to why tropical threads degenerate into something less than civil. 

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And even a degreed met doesn't know everything. You'd be surprised how bad some degreed people are at forecasting even though they can solve every equation under the sun. I can't speak for all...but I certainly don't look down  upon someone giving an opinion without being a redtagger. Some of the more knowledgeable posters like DonS etc. contribute so much to this board.

 

This is quite true.  There are a lot of pillars to Meteorology;  problem solving on exams is just one of them.   I suppose if one pursues research as a career, that skill is paramount to some degree.  But if one chooses forecasting ...?  It opens up. 

 

The "art" of the weather, being able to detect the subtleties and rhythms of the model dynamic, and what they might mean in terms of predicting where the models and ultimately the pattern is going, that's entirely different.  

 

Then, there's interpretation of what the model means to sensible weather -- also different as a discipline, particularly in the diplomacy of how to deliver that message to the masses.   

 

Then there's more climatology bent aspects, where some Meteorologist are fantastic with statistics and seem to just have a kind of landscape of precedence in mind at all times and draw up analogs to use for their interpretation.  

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good since im heading to newport in a week. but im talkin/replying to jay and hes about 1500 miles away in fll, man o war can be a real pain there (no pun)

I actually didn't see or hear any word about them. Never had a problem with them down here! Didn't even realize they were a threat. Saw a couple manatees 20 feet off shore that were very friendly. Besides that, a nice four foot long Iguana head to tail right at our beach! A nice school of larger fish swam right through me in the water too. Then even some smaller ones love to hang at your feet and take little nibbles at you.

 

Three different coral reefs very close to the shore here. So plenty of sea life! Got scorched today at the beach. Have a buzzcut and got a bad scalp burn, painful. Back to Boston tomorrow. It was actually cooler and less humid here it seemed during the vacation!

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