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June 2013 Observations and Discussions


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SXUS71 KOKX 142033
RERISP

RECORD EVENT REPORT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NEW YORK NY
0433 PM EDT FRI JUN 14 2013

...RECORD LOW TEMPERATURE SET AT ISLIP NY...

A RECORD LOW TEMPERATURE OF 53 DEGREES WAS SET AT ISLIP NY TODAY.
THIS TIES THE OLD RECORD OF 53 SET IN 2009.

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the gfs is spitting out 3 - 5 more inches of much needed rains tue/wed (replay of yesterday). We'll see if the other guidance supports more flooding.  Good news is beyond wed its looking drier (less wet) and warmer.

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SXUS71 KOKX 142033

RERISP

RECORD EVENT REPORT

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NEW YORK NY

0433 PM EDT FRI JUN 14 2013

...RECORD LOW TEMPERATURE SET AT ISLIP NY...

A RECORD LOW TEMPERATURE OF 53 DEGREES WAS SET AT ISLIP NY TODAY.

THIS TIES THE OLD RECORD OF 53 SET IN 2009.

 

I had a feeling a record was going to be endangered, but wasn't sure where until now.

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I had a feeling a record was going to be endangered, but wasn't sure where until now.

Islip's records don't go far back at all so it's easier to break records there, especially record lows. Notice their previous record was from 2009.

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We have warmer pattern with more convective threats coming up next week. SPC has western areas in a SEE TEXT and 5% risk both Sun and Mon.

 

 

I think we have to get through Wed (6/19)  before a warmer more conevective type pattern evolves.  Before then I would not bet against the wtter solutions for tue/wed just yet.

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No need for personal attacks just because what I said goes against what you want

 

pardon?  i don't "want" anything.  i observe.  the euro is superior and anyone who can't see that at this point is bordering on delusion.

 

lebron james is the best player in the nba.  aaron rogers/tom brady/drew brees are the best quarterbacks.  none of these guys win a title every single year.  it doesn't change the fact that they are the best.  you can find flips on every model, and outlying examples where it may have been wrong, but if you approach this from any sort of overall aggregate analysis, the euro is a dominant model.  it is science, not conjecture or opinion.

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pardon? i don't "want" anything. i observe. the euro is superior and anyone who can't see that at this point is bordering on delusion.

lebron james is the best player in the nba. aaron rogers/tom brady/drew brees are the best quarterbacks. none of these guys win a title every single year. it doesn't change the fact that they are the best. you can find flips on every model, and outlying examples where it may have been wrong, but if you approach this from any sort of overall aggregate analysis, the euro is a dominant model. it is science, not conjecture or opinion.

You defend the Euro like it's your Mother. All I said is that the Euro has been no better than any other model with this pattern. I know what the overall performance scores are historically.
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You defend the Euro like it's your Mother. All I said is that the Euro has been no better than any other model with this pattern. I know what the overall performance scores are historically.

What? Euro has been incredible during this wet pattern.

Best by far, along with the rgem. If the euro and rgem have the same solution, take that solution to the bank and ignore everything else.

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I will say the Euro has been doing well in this pattern, far better than the GFS lately. I don't however like model bashing nor model fanboys that'll live and die by a model no matter what, that's really annoying. Euro has had some mistakes, some huge mistakes too. So does every model, but the Euro has the least mistakes, and that doesn't mean that it's ok to say every solution it puts out is exactly perfect like some on this board.

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Fully expect the very wet pattern to continue. That's a very potent storm system again next week. All comes down to exact track which is going to change again 20 times before then. The Euro hasn't been any better than the rest of the guidance.

 

The euro has had no storm for a while now, and now the gfs has completely trended away from the full blown noreaster.

 

not sure what your point is. Euro is king

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It will be fun to see, they said by 2015 the gfs will have more computing power than the euro

 

The wild card will be how well they can utilize that computing power for better model scores.

I am sure the Euro will keep on making improvements through the same time period.

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Boo hoo I can see disapointment on a few posters face about us not getting more rain

we need to dry out but we are in a very wet pattern...NYC is up to 17.60" since May...

year...May/June rains

1989.....19.03"

1972.....17.69"

2013.....17.60"

1984.....15.50"

2009.....15.23"

2003.....13.70"

1968.....13.21"

2006.....13.17"

1948.....13.10"

1998.....12.88"

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Boo hoo I can see disapointment on a few posters face about us not getting more rain

While I think we will have a pattern change, that doesn't mean that we'll have no more rain.  I would think looking at the Euro that there would be some weak fronts passing through here with t-storm activity in the warmer/hot weather regime.

WX/PT

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Boo hoo I can see disapointment on a few posters face about us not getting more rain

Well it's a bit disappointing when your close to a record but fall just short, especially if there's still half a month left and we fail to break it.

All it takes, however, is a couple strong thunderstorms to bring down a quick half inch to inch of rain so I fully believe we will break the record.

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Overnight guidance still brings an overall above normal pattern by the end of the week with the some heat next weekend which should give us the next shot at 90s between 6/23 and 6/26.   Likely more of a day or two of heat as  fropa's will temper the heat, but heights are higher overall with ridge nosing east in spikes.  The gfs remains the warmest but the ecm is blasting 850s of 18 - 20c by next sunday.  Beyond next weekend the Core of heat and  ridge is in the rockies/plains extending into w-canada but the east is under a more progressive trough and weakness under higher heights.  The cold in Canada is being consolidated into the northeast provinces while the rest of the north warms.  It looks generally above normal with multiple fronts/storms especially into New England as the heat from the plains builds east  6/20 - 6/30.

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Overnight guidance still brings an overall above normal pattern by the end of the week with the some heat next weekend which should give us the next shot at 90s between 6/23 and 6/26.   Likely more of a day or two of heat as  fropa's will temper the heat, but heights are higher overall with ridge nosing east in spikes.  The gfs remains the warmest but the ecm is blasting 850s of 18 - 20c by next sunday.  Beyond next weekend the Core of heat and  ridge is in the rockies/plains extending into w-canada but the east is under a more progressive trough and weakness under higher heights.  The cold in Canada is being consolidated into the northeast provinces while the rest of the north warms.  It looks generally above normal with multiple fronts/storms especially into New England as the heat from the plains builds east  6/20 - 6/30.

 

Certainly agree that a warmer temps are coming, especially around the 6/21-6/24 period. Some cool downs with fropas as you said. The GFS wants to expand the heat and ridging east much faster and put us into a hotter pattern beyond that. The Euro doesn't do that, and keeps us under more troughs. We'll see.

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Departures thru mid month

 

 

 

TEB:  -0.8

NYC:  -0.6

EWR: -0.4

LGA:  -0.1

JFK:  -0.9

TTN:   +0.7

<Covering NYC Metro, Northern and Central NJ>

 

I guess the description of the sub-forum fits after all..

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