weatherwiz Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 Massive Tor on radar heading toward OKC That is one scary cell...some of the scans with the rotation were jaw dropping Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 That is one scary cell...some of the scans with the rotation were jaw dropping Debris ball is over a mile wide! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 Debris ball is over a mile wide! Weakened thankfully but that was an absolute monster...g2g velocities were insane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 Mike Bettes from TWC and his team took a direct hit from the tornado and was thrown 200 yards but they are all alright thankfully...wow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 Mike Bettes from TWC and his team took a direct hit from the tornado and was thrown 200 yards but they are all alright thankfully...wow lol...storm chasing gone wrong. Someone's gotta get that camera footage. Apparently front/side airbags went off and only some minor lacerations on the vehicles occupants. TWCBreaking : Mike Bettes says his #TornadoHunt vehicle was thrown 200 yards by the tornado W of OKC. Airbags deployed. All are safe. 22 minutes ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey2002 Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 lol...storm chasing gone wrong. Someone's gotta get that camera footage. Apparently front/side airbags went off and only some minor lacerations on the vehicles occupants. Mike Bettes said his SUV was picked up and tossed into the air, tumbled 6-8 times, floated airborne, and eventually landed 200 yards off the highway into a field. SUV is completely smashed... they're headed to the hospital in another vehicle to treat minor injuries. Lucky to be alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ineedsnow Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 that is one hell of a hook going into oklahoma city now wow!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 Mike Bettes said his SUV was picked up and tossed into the air, tumbled 6-8 times, floated airborne, and eventually landed 200 yards off the highway into a field. SUV is completely smashed... they're headed to the hospital in another vehicle to treat minor injuries. Lucky to be alive. You should be very lucky to walk out a vehicle that looks like this... however I'm wondering what the aftermath will have on storm chasers. I mean these were people that did not have to be there and judging by all the FB/Twitter/LiveVids/News stations picking up storm chasers...there must be hundreds of these vehicles/people putting themselves awfully close to these storms. What happens when FD/PD/EMS have to start taking care of people putting themselves in the path of storms *on purpose* and can't focus on the rest of the public that get hit blindsided and need assistance... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoob40 Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 You should be very lucky to walk out a vehicle that looks like this... however I'm wondering what the aftermath will have on storm chasers. I mean these were people that did not have to be there and judging by all the FB/Twitter/LiveVids/News stations picking up storm chasers...there must be hundreds of these vehicles/people putting themselves awfully close to these storms. What happens when FD/PD/EMS have to start taking care of people putting themselves in the path of storms *on purpose* and can't focus on the rest of the public that get hit blindsided and need assistance... BLok1GACQAE-KaE.jpg PF makes a valid point that chasers should consider before putting themselves in harm's way. Wiz and the junior met from NBC 30 should ponder what happened to Bettes and company before dashing off to the chase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnno Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 PF makes a valid point that chasers should consider before putting themselves in harm's way. Wiz and the junior met from NBC 30 should ponder what happened to Bettes and company before dashing off to the chase. I don't think Ryan is going to purposely drive a new live truck towards a tornado, I would think they are there to report more then anything and record from a distance if the opportunity arises not get right into a path for the best shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoob40 Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 I don't think Ryan is going to purposely drive a new live truck towards a tornado, I would think they are there to report more then anything and record from a distance if the opportunity arises not get right into a path for the best shot. Fair enough. I didn't know that Bettes was doing what you described. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 What happened to Bettes was just unfortunate...they were safely away from the tornado, trying to escape, and were hit by a satellite tornado. As for my friend and I...we always get spots ahead of the storm and find views to see the structures and all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey2002 Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 What happened to Bettes was just unfortunate...they were safely away from the tornado, trying to escape, and were hit by a satellite tornado. It just reinforces how important it is to remember that tornadoes are unpredictable sometimes and anything can happen. Unreal watching it unfold live on TWC tonight... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 It just reinforces how important it is to remember that tornadoes are unpredictable sometimes and anything can happen. Unreal watching it unfold live on TWC tonight... What happened tonight is sure to bring a ton of uproar with regards to chasers. There are many cons as well as pros about chasers and there will never be a correct answer to it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N. OF PIKE Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 What happened tonight is sure to bring a ton of uproar with regards to chasers. There are many cons as well as pros about chasers and there will never be a correct answer to it all. Spoken wisely. There are always knee jerk comments when emotions run high and this could have happend ANY day (with this explosive of a set up)for the reason u spoke of. Some fans are afraid this will cast light on the dangers of chasing and cause some sort of ban or regulation, and acting like only "rogue idiotic chasers who were trying to get within extra close distance" were the cause, or at least that is how it seems to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey2002 Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 What happened tonight is sure to bring a ton of uproar with regards to chasers. There are many cons as well as pros about chasers and there will never be a correct answer to it all. Yeah, very true... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 I don't think Ryan is going to purposely drive a new live truck towards a tornado, I would think they are there to report more then anything and record from a distance if the opportunity arises not get right into a path for the best shot. Oh yeah I don't think anyone actually wants to get hit by a tornado...it just puts chasing in a bad light. All of us understand the draw of chasing being weather lovers, but no one can really guarantee they won't get in harms way. The issue is not your average storm chaser I think, but more the folks going for ratings or website hits or selling video shots. Pretty soon it won't be an exciting video unless its taken from literally the inside of a tornado. But not to derail this thread... shouldn't have brought it up anyway. Hopefully we get some more severe chances this weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
free_man Posted June 1, 2013 Author Share Posted June 1, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
free_man Posted June 1, 2013 Author Share Posted June 1, 2013 that's gonna bring some excitement. hopefully the severe storms can sneak into western areas, which I do think will happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 There are a ton of comments about this in the main severe thread in the mid-west forum, but I will refrain from commenting there. Anyways, my take on it is this... If you're a storm chaser, you know, or must know that there are not only major responsibilities but there could be major consequences involved. I guess, as a chaser you are asking yourself several questions as to why you're chasing; 1) Am i chasing b/c I just want to see what this stuff looks like? 2) Am I chasing b/c I want to be involved in the scientific community and can I do what I can to help provide data and analysis? 3) Am I chasing b/c I want to not only document this, but get information and relay it to weather services and public safety officers, perhaps sacrificing my life in hopes to save others. I'm sure you could broaden these questions further, however, we just have to realize, the number of chasers are only going to increase in the future..will it clog roads? Yes it will, but people not into chasing and not involved with that should not really be fleeing in their vehicles. Out in tornado ally, there should be numerous shelters available. In my mind, in the end, Chasers have been incredibly helpful to the field overall. Whether or not people disagree with some of the tactics some choose or not...that is all opinion and there is never going to be a right or wrong answer. In the end, if we truly want to know EVERYTHING about tornadoes...we are going to need chasers and people willing to place their safety in jeopardy to accomplish that task. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 Chasing snow is much more fun and relaxing, plus you can hit the core and not become Dorothy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey2002 Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 If you're a storm chaser, you know, or must know that there are not only major responsibilities but there could be major consequences involved. Trying to get close to the storm without becoming part of the debris ball... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Rain Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 PF makes a valid point that chasers should consider before putting themselves in harm's way. Wiz and the junior met from NBC 30 should ponder what happened to Bettes and company before dashing off to the chase. Was that a dig? Obviously chasing can be risky but I'm certainly not planning to put myself in harms way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
free_man Posted June 1, 2013 Author Share Posted June 1, 2013 ...NORTHEAST/MID-ATLANTIC STATES AND NEW ENGLAND...A MID/HIGH LEVEL SPEED MAX...WITH 50-65 KT SOUTHWESTERLY WINDSAROUND 500 MB...IS EXPECTED TO SHIFT NORTHEASTWARD OVER THENORTHEAST STATES/NEW ENGLAND ON THE PERIPHERY OF AN UPPER TROUGHPIVOTING OVER ONTARIO/QUEBEC. WHILE EARLY DAY SHOWERS/SOME TSTMS ARELIKELY TO ACCOMPANY THE EASTWARD-MOVING COLD FRONT...CLOUD BREAKSAND POCKETS OF AT LEAST MODEST DESTABILIZATION ARE PROBABLE AHEAD OFTHE FRONT /AND IN VICINITY OF A POSSIBLE PRE-FRONTAL TROUGH/. WEAKMID-LEVEL LAPSE RATES MAY TEMPER THE OVERALL DEGREE OFDESTABILIZATION AND STORM VIGOR TO SOME DEGREE...BUT EVENSO...MLCAPE ON THE ORDER OF 1000-1500 J/KG WILL BE SUFFICIENT FORSTRONG/SEVERE TSTM DEVELOPMENT AND INTENSIFICATION INTO THEAFTERNOON.UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF THE PASSING SPEED MAX...STRONG DEEP LAYERSOUTHWESTERLY WINDS...ACCENTUATED BY AS MUCH AS 40-50 KT BETWEEN 2-6KM...WILL SUPPORT THE DEVELOPMENT AND MATURATION OFORGANIZED/SUSTAINED CLUSTERS OF STORMS INCLUDING BOWS...ESPECIALLYDURING THE AFTERNOON/EARLY EVENING HOURS. DAMAGING WINDS WILL BE THEPRIMARY HAZARD...ALTHOUGH SOME SEVERE HAIL AND PERHAPS AN ISOLATEDTORNADO THREAT /MAINLY EASTERN NY INTO NEW ENGLAND/ MAY EXIST ASWELL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
free_man Posted June 1, 2013 Author Share Posted June 1, 2013 Was that a dig? Obviously chasing can be risky but I'm certainly not planning to put myself in harms way. I think you're in harms way just being there, honestly. (in terms of chasing large tornadoes or tornadic supercells) not a dig, just an honest evaluation. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
free_man Posted June 1, 2013 Author Share Posted June 1, 2013 there's another general severe thread by Quincy to address the extraneous stuff, of course feel free to contribute there. :> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey2002 Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 ...NORTHEAST/MID-ATLANTIC STATES AND NEW ENGLAND... A MID/HIGH LEVEL SPEED MAX...WITH 50-65 KT SOUTHWESTERLY WINDS AROUND 500 MB...IS EXPECTED TO SHIFT NORTHEASTWARD OVER THE NORTHEAST STATES/NEW ENGLAND ON THE PERIPHERY OF AN UPPER TROUGH PIVOTING OVER ONTARIO/QUEBEC. WHILE EARLY DAY SHOWERS/SOME TSTMS ARE LIKELY TO ACCOMPANY THE EASTWARD-MOVING COLD FRONT...CLOUD BREAKS AND POCKETS OF AT LEAST MODEST DESTABILIZATION ARE PROBABLE AHEAD OF THE FRONT /AND IN VICINITY OF A POSSIBLE PRE-FRONTAL TROUGH/. WEAK MID-LEVEL LAPSE RATES MAY TEMPER THE OVERALL DEGREE OF DESTABILIZATION AND STORM VIGOR TO SOME DEGREE...BUT EVEN SO...MLCAPE ON THE ORDER OF 1000-1500 J/KG WILL BE SUFFICIENT FOR STRONG/SEVERE TSTM DEVELOPMENT AND INTENSIFICATION INTO THE AFTERNOON. UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF THE PASSING SPEED MAX...STRONG DEEP LAYER SOUTHWESTERLY WINDS...ACCENTUATED BY AS MUCH AS 40-50 KT BETWEEN 2-6 KM...WILL SUPPORT THE DEVELOPMENT AND MATURATION OF ORGANIZED/SUSTAINED CLUSTERS OF STORMS INCLUDING BOWS...ESPECIALLY DURING THE AFTERNOON/EARLY EVENING HOURS. DAMAGING WINDS WILL BE THE PRIMARY HAZARD...ALTHOUGH SOME SEVERE HAIL AND PERHAPS AN ISOLATED TORNADO THREAT /MAINLY EASTERN NY INTO NEW ENGLAND/ MAY EXIST AS WELL. Once again it looks like the Albany area is the place to be... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
free_man Posted June 1, 2013 Author Share Posted June 1, 2013 BOX...meh, subdued. cool to see the prefrontal trof better defined as we move along SUN...ASIDE FROM SOME CLOUDINESS DUE TO CI AND ANY STRATUS ALONG COASTALLOCATIONS...SOME AREAS ARE LIKELY TO SEE AT LEAST A BIT OF EARLYDAY SUNSHINE IN ADVANCE OF STRONG COLD FRONT UPSTREAM. WITH A WARMAIRMASS OF +16C IN PLACE...MIXING MAY NOT BE QUITE AS HIGH...BUTTEMPS IN THE 80S AND POSSIBLY EVEN AN ISOLATED 90F LOOK REASONABLEBASEDON LATEST MAV/MET COMBINATION. OTHER THAN THE WARM HUMIDTEMPERATURE...THE PRIMARY ISSUE TO WATCH DURING THE DAY WILL BETHE POTENTIAL FOR MORE ORGANIZED CONVECTION BY LATE IN THE DAY.AS SFC COLD FRONT APPROACHES FROM THE W...WILL NEED TO WATCH A PREFRONTAL TROF IN THE AFTERNOON WHICH MAY PROVIDE A FOCUS FORAFTERNOON AND EVENING CONVECTION. DESPITE THE FACT THAT MID LVLLAPSE RATES ARE MARGINAL IN THE 6.0C/KM RANGE...ML CAPE VALUESCOULD STILL REACH 1000+ J/KG GIVEN THE WARM SFC TEMPS AND MID 60SDWPTS AS THIS TROF APPROACHES. EVEN THOUGH ML CAPES HAVE BEENRATHER HIGH THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS...THE DIFFERENCE HERE IS THELACK OF A MID LVL CAP AND COOLING UPPER LVLS AS THE MAIN TROFAPPROACHES FROM THE W. ALSO...0-6KM SHEAR VALUES INCREASE CLOSERTO 30 KT BY LATE IN THE DAY WITH SOME TURNING EVIDENT IN THEHODOGRAPH. THEREFORE...THERE IS A BETTER CHANCE FOR ANY STORMS TOORGANIZE INTO MULTI-CELLS OR LINE CONVECTION WITH ROTATINGUPDRAFTS...SOMETHING THAT ANY WEAK CONVECTION LACKED THU/FRI ANDLIKELY TODAY WHICH CAUSED STORMS TO COLLAPSE ON THEMSELVES. ADDINGALL OF THIS TOGETHER INCREASES AT LEAST THE POSSIBILITY OF SOMESEVERE STORMS BY SUN AFTERNOON/EVENING. WITH THE SHEAR AND NOSE OFA STRONGER LLJ...STRONG WINDS WILL BE THE PRIMARY THREAT WITH ANYSTORMS...BUT PWAT VALUES IN THE 1.5-1.75 INCH RANGE SUGGEST THATHEAVY RAIN IS ALSO LIKELY. HAVE CONTINUED TO ADD THESE TO WXCONDITIONS COINCIDENT WITH LATEST SPC SLIGHT RISK IN WRN PORTIONSOF THE FORECAST AREA. THIS SEVERE THREAT WILL LIKELY TRANSITION TOMORE OF A HEAVY RAIN THREAT INTO THE OVERNIGHT HOURS...FOR MORE ONTHAT SEE THE LONG TERM SECTION BELOW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 Man...I just cannot get over that TOR video from Bettes..He is the man. I salute him. I would have done the same thing if i was that close Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 BOX...meh, subdued. cool to see the prefrontal trof better defined as we move along SUN... ASIDE FROM SOME CLOUDINESS DUE TO CI AND ANY STRATUS ALONG COASTAL LOCATIONS...SOME AREAS ARE LIKELY TO SEE AT LEAST A BIT OF EARLY DAY SUNSHINE IN ADVANCE OF STRONG COLD FRONT UPSTREAM. WITH A WARM AIRMASS OF +16C IN PLACE...MIXING MAY NOT BE QUITE AS HIGH...BUT TEMPS IN THE 80S AND POSSIBLY EVEN AN ISOLATED 90F LOOK REASONABLEBASED ON LATEST MAV/MET COMBINATION. OTHER THAN THE WARM HUMID TEMPERATURE...THE PRIMARY ISSUE TO WATCH DURING THE DAY WILL BE THE POTENTIAL FOR MORE ORGANIZED CONVECTION BY LATE IN THE DAY. AS SFC COLD FRONT APPROACHES FROM THE W...WILL NEED TO WATCH A PRE FRONTAL TROF IN THE AFTERNOON WHICH MAY PROVIDE A FOCUS FOR AFTERNOON AND EVENING CONVECTION. DESPITE THE FACT THAT MID LVL LAPSE RATES ARE MARGINAL IN THE 6.0C/KM RANGE...ML CAPE VALUES COULD STILL REACH 1000+ J/KG GIVEN THE WARM SFC TEMPS AND MID 60S DWPTS AS THIS TROF APPROACHES. EVEN THOUGH ML CAPES HAVE BEEN RATHER HIGH THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS...THE DIFFERENCE HERE IS THE LACK OF A MID LVL CAP AND COOLING UPPER LVLS AS THE MAIN TROF APPROACHES FROM THE W. ALSO...0-6KM SHEAR VALUES INCREASE CLOSER TO 30 KT BY LATE IN THE DAY WITH SOME TURNING EVIDENT IN THE HODOGRAPH. THEREFORE...THERE IS A BETTER CHANCE FOR ANY STORMS TO ORGANIZE INTO MULTI-CELLS OR LINE CONVECTION WITH ROTATING UPDRAFTS...SOMETHING THAT ANY WEAK CONVECTION LACKED THU/FRI AND LIKELY TODAY WHICH CAUSED STORMS TO COLLAPSE ON THEMSELVES. ADDING ALL OF THIS TOGETHER INCREASES AT LEAST THE POSSIBILITY OF SOME SEVERE STORMS BY SUN AFTERNOON/EVENING. WITH THE SHEAR AND NOSE OF A STRONGER LLJ...STRONG WINDS WILL BE THE PRIMARY THREAT WITH ANY STORMS...BUT PWAT VALUES IN THE 1.5-1.75 INCH RANGE SUGGEST THAT HEAVY RAIN IS ALSO LIKELY. HAVE CONTINUED TO ADD THESE TO WX CONDITIONS COINCIDENT WITH LATEST SPC SLIGHT RISK IN WRN PORTIONS OF THE FORECAST AREA. THIS SEVERE THREAT WILL LIKELY TRANSITION TO MORE OF A HEAVY RAIN THREAT INTO THE OVERNIGHT HOURS...FOR MORE ON THAT SEE THE LONG TERM SECTION BELOW. AWT..Big day likely tomorrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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