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@Thundersnow, there is not a single thing I can find wrong with that wind profile...

The thing that concerns me about late week is that you're looking at potentially many large population centers at substantial risk. That being said, there are reasons to be cautious...degree of instability with northeastward extent is a question mark at this point.

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D3, no mention of tornadoes.

 

DAY 3 CONVECTIVE OUTLOOK    NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK  0241 AM CDT WED MAY 29 2013    VALID 311200Z - 011200Z    ...THERE IS A SLGT RISK OF SVR TSTMS FROM THE SRN PLAINS TO LOWER  GREAT LAKES...     ..SYNOPSIS    SOMEWHAT MORE PROGRESSIVE FLOW WILL BEGIN TO DEVELOP ALONG THE  U.S./CANADA BORDER AS THE CLOSED LOW ACROSS THE DAKOTAS OPENS AND  MOVES DOWNSTREAM TOWARD THE GREAT LAKES ON FRIDAY. THE EAST COAST  RIDGE WILL WEAKEN AS THIS OCCURS AND ANOTHER LOW AMPLITUDE IMPULSE  WILL MOVE INTO THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST. THE COLD FRONT ASSOCIATED WITH  THE NRN PLAINS LOW WILL SETTLE SEWD INTO A VERY MOIST AIRMASS FROM  THE SRN PLAINS NEWD ACROSS THE LOWER OH VALLEY TO GREAT LAKES. LIFT  ALONG THE FRONT AND ACROSS THE WARM CONVEYOR BELT AHEAD OF THE FRONT  WILL BE AUGMENTED BY DPVA ASSOCIATED WITH THE OPENING UPPER WAVE.     ..ERN OK ACROSS THE MIDWEST TO LOWER MI    SEVERAL DAYS OF STRONG LOW LEVEL SLY FLOW FROM THE GULF OF MEXICO  INLAND ACROSS THE MS VALLEY AND MIDWEST WILL SUPPORT ABUNDANT LOW  LEVEL MOISTURE OVER AN EXTENSIVE REGION. MODEST TO STRONG WLY FLOW  ALOFT WILL MAINTAIN MID LEVEL LAPSE RATE PLUME/EML FROM THE SRN  PLAINS ACROSS THE MIDWEST WITH SURFACE HEATING CONTRIBUTING TO  STRONG DESTABILIZATION DURING THE AFTERNOON. CONVECTION SHOULD  INCREASE AHEAD OF THE SLOW-MOVING FRONT AND NEAR RESIDUAL OUTFLOW  BOUNDARIES FROM PRIOR DAY STORMS AS HEATING AND LARGE SCALE ASCENT  ACT TO LOCALLY OVERCOME CAPPING/INHIBITION. DEEP-LAYER SHEAR ON THE  ORDER OF 30-50KT WILL CONTRIBUTE TO STORM ORGANIZATION THROUGH THE  LATER AFTERNOON WITH BOTH LINEAR AND CELLULAR/SUPERCELLULAR MODES  POSSIBLE. HAIL AND HIGH WINDS WILL BE THE MAIN HAZARDS WITH SOME  POTENTIAL FOR AN MCS OR TWO EVOLVING INTO EARLY SATURDAY JUNE 1.  GREATER SEVERE WEATHER PROBABILITIES HAVE BEEN INCLUDED WHERE STRONG  INSTABILITY AND SHEAR ARE FORECAST TO COEXIST WITH A VERY CONSISTENT  SIGNAL FOR DEEP CONVECTION IN A VARIETY OF LATEST MODEL GUIDANCE.    ..CARBIN.. 05/29/2013 
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Number two analog for the Mississippi Valley frame was 18z 6/2/90.

Regarding Friday, I was flipping through Jon Finch's site earlier to try to find something that looks similar from a surface and 500 mb perspective (especially for May/June) and didn't find much. Certainly could've missed something with all there is to look at. The 1990 shortwave became negative tilt which is not what looks to happen in this case at least for Friday. The type of trough shape/orientation being progged grabs my attention though since it's been present for some big events in the past.

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Regarding Friday, I was flipping through Jon Finch's site earlier to try to find something that looks similar from a surface and 500 mb perspective (especially for May/June) and didn't find much. Certainly could've missed something with all there is to look at. The 1990 shortwave became negative tilt which is not what looks to happen in this case at least for Friday. The type of trough shape/orientation being progged grabs my attention though since it's been present for some big events in the past.

 

Yeah the 500 mb setup in particular compared to 6/2/90 is a lot different, despite the magnitude of the wind fields looking somewhat similar. It certainly has a decent ceiling, although obviously concerns about crapvection are warranted. I do think the lack of mention for tornadoes in the D3 was a bit puzzling though, considering the appearance of the synoptic setup and the parameters being suggested.

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Morning after arm chair quarterback rant:

 

I know the a couple of employees of SPC post here, and this is not directly at them specifically, but I feel they really dropped the ball yesterday by not issuing a tornado watch for Southern MI. It was mentioned here that the warm front could come into play for severe and I know that SPC was looking the same parameters.

 

There were in fact several cells that exhibited strong rotation and there were several reports of damage, a few of which I have no doubt will be determined to be a result of tornado damage.

 

/end rant

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Morning after arm chair quarterback rant:

I know the a couple of employees of SPC post here, and this is not directly at them specifically, but I feel they really dropped the ball yesterday by not issuing a tornado watch for Southern MI. It was mentioned here that the warm front could come into play for severe and I know that SPC was looking the same parameters.

There were in fact several cells that exhibited strong rotation and there were several reports of damage, a few of which I have no doubt will be determined to be a result of tornado damage.

/end rant

This 100%

The wind profiles were impressive for Michigan standards.

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Morning after arm chair quarterback rant:

 

I know the a couple of employees of SPC post here, and this is not directly at them specifically, but I feel they really dropped the ball yesterday by not issuing a tornado watch for Southern MI. It was mentioned here that the warm front could come into play for severe and I know that SPC was looking the same parameters.

 

There were in fact several cells that exhibited strong rotation and there were several reports of damage, a few of which I have no doubt will be determined to be a result of tornado damage.

 

/end rant

 

Don't local WFOs have some influence on a watch being issued?  (I seemed to have heard that from someone at NWS but cannot remember where.)  Maybe the WFO thought it was unnecessary. 

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Morning after arm chair quarterback rant:

 

I know the a couple of employees of SPC post here, and this is not directly at them specifically, but I feel they really dropped the ball yesterday by not issuing a tornado watch for Southern MI. It was mentioned here that the warm front could come into play for severe and I know that SPC was looking the same parameters.

 

There were in fact several cells that exhibited strong rotation and there were several reports of damage, a few of which I have no doubt will be determined to be a result of tornado damage.

 

/end rant

 

To be fair, DTX and GRR have the final say.

 

But who can blame them?

 

For one, the activity was relatively isolated (similar to the Dexter tornado). Really, only Flint saw most of the severe weather action out of the entire region, aside from that tornado warning SE of Lansing. Besides how many times have they been burned in the past, in comparison to any other CWA, for issuing watches that bust (that event in mid-April with the Tornado Watches comes to mind)?

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To be fair, DTX and GRR have the final say.

 

But who can blame them?

 

For one, the activity was relatively isolated (similar to the Dexter tornado). Really, only Flint saw most of the severe weather action out of the entire region, aside from that tornado warning SE of Lansing. Besides how many times have they been burned in the past, in comparison to any other CWA, for issuing watches that bust (that event in mid-April with the Tornado Watches comes to mind)?

 

All tornadoes, by definition, are isolated. The fact that there were at least 5 warnings with at least 3 touchdowns indicate that this wasn't just a single isolated event. 

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Morning after arm chair quarterback rant:

 

I know the a couple of employees of SPC post here, and this is not directly at them specifically, but I feel they really dropped the ball yesterday by not issuing a tornado watch for Southern MI. It was mentioned here that the warm front could come into play for severe and I know that SPC was looking the same parameters.

 

There were in fact several cells that exhibited strong rotation and there were several reports of damage, a few of which I have no doubt will be determined to be a result of tornado damage.

 

/end rant

 

To be fair, DTX and GRR have the final say.

 

But who can blame them?

 

For one, the activity was relatively isolated (similar to the Dexter tornado). Really, only Flint saw most of the severe weather action out of the entire region, aside from that tornado warning SE of Lansing. Besides how many times have they been burned in the past, in comparison to any other CWA, for issuing watches that bust (that event in mid-April with the Tornado Watches comes to mind)?

Usually the SPC initiates conference calls to coordinate a watch but if the WFO feels strongly that a watch is needed we can call SPC.

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Don't local WFOs have some influence on a watch being issued?  (I seemed to have heard that from someone at NWS but cannot remember where.)  Maybe the WFO thought it was unnecessary. 

 

They didn't issue a MCD until 920PM for Southern Michigan by that point there had been 4 tornadoes down and one on going, yes the WFOs do influence watch issuance, by this point though DTX probably was too busy to take the conference call with 3 ongoing tornado warnings. That would have been my guess, also it wasn't just Southern Michigan, they did issue a MCD for NW PA and SW NY with watch unlikely and they had a whole bunch of severe there including a multi vortex tornado. I almost never rag on SPC but yesterday they dropped the ball region wide.

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Usually the SPC initiates conference calls to coordinate a watch but if the WFO feels strongly that a watch is needed we can call SPC.

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Yeah and probably by the time GRR/DTX thought the watch was needed they had become too busy with warnings to make that call.

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They didn't issue a MCD until 920PM for Southern Michigan by that point there had been 4 tornadoes down and one on going, yes the WFOs do influence watch issuance, by this point though DTX probably was too busy to take the conference call with 3 ongoing tornado warnings. That would have been my guess, also it wasn't just Southern Michigan, they did issue a MCD for NW PA and SW NY with watch unlikely and they had a whole bunch of severe there including a multi vortex tornado. I almost never rag on SPC but yesterday they dropped the ball region wide.

The MCD you referenced really didn't even mention the ongoing situation in eastern MI...it was for the stuff near Chicago that was poised to move eastward into the area. Whether there should've been a watch or not, the apparent lack of attention as things were unfolding yesterday left me scratching my head.

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Let's hope this is the old formula because if not :yikes:

 

That 60 contour is right over my house.  I'm trying to think back to when the last time I saw that here was.  Granted my memory isn't as good as it used to be but I'm having a hard time coming up with a date.

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