huronicane Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 Unbelievable if true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBriedis Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 Considering what the radar looked like, not that surprising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memphis Weather Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 NSSL just tweeted it so I would say it's confirmed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memphis Weather Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 Some more details coming...Apparently the tornado grew from one mile to the 2.6 mile width in less than a minute. Also, suction vortices were measured moving at 150 mph. *Could* this be where things went so wrong with chasers (Especially Tim and crew)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Rain Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 from Twitter!!!! Patrick Marsh @pmarshwx People focusing on EF5 rating and 295+ mph winds of El Reno tornado. How about 150+ mph forward speed of subvortices near researcher deaths? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoMo Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 I think with it growing to 2.6 miles that quickly and making a turn, things could have went bad very quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 from Twitter!!!! Patrick Marsh @pmarshwx People focusing on EF5 rating and 295+ mph winds of El Reno tornado. How about 150+ mph forward speed of subvortices near researcher deaths? supposedly the data is coming soon. saw from another source as well. one issue there was, i think, a lot of chasers were not paying as much attention to the parent meso as the subvorticies etc. it ended up fully 'dropping' on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memphis Weather Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 Yep, Patrick had the same thought than I did. I think the 150 mph suction vortice forward speed may be the most incredible piece of info from all of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 from Twitter!!!! Patrick Marsh @pmarshwx People focusing on EF5 rating and 295+ mph winds of El Reno tornado. How about 150+ mph forward speed of subvortices near researcher deaths? Wow, that right there might be the most incredible piece to this puzzle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocoAko Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 Path graphic: http://ow.ly/i/2hfDG/original Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxmeddler Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 PUBLIC INFORMATION STATEMENT NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NORMAN OK 1206 PM CDT TUE JUN 4 2013 ...UPDATE ON MAY 31 EL RENO TORNADO... METEOROLOGISTS WITH THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE AND RESEARCHERS FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF OKLAHOMA CONTINUE TO INVESTIGATE INFORMATION RELATED TO THE MAY 31 EL RENO TORNADO. WITH THIS INVESTIGATION... THE TORNADO HAS BEEN UPGRADED TO AN EF5 TORNADO BASED ON VELOCITY DATA FROM THE RESEARCH MOBILE RADAR DATA FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF OKLAHOMA RAXPOL RADAR. IN ADDITION... THE WIDTH OF TORNADO WAS MEASURED BY THE MOBILE RADAR DATA TO BE 2.6 MILES AFTER THE TORNADO PASSED EAST OF US HIGHWAY 81 SOUTH OF EL RENO. THIS WIDTH IS THE WIDTH OF THE TORNADO ITSELF AND DOES NOT INCLUDE THE DAMAGING STRAIGHT-LINE WINDS NEAR THE TORNADO AS DETERMINED BY THE HIGH-RESOLUTION MOBILE RADAR DATA. THE 2.6 MILE TORNADO PATH WIDTH IS BELIEVED TO BE THE WIDEST TORNADO ON RECORD IN THE UNITED STATES. .EL RENO TORNADO RATING: EF5 PATH LENGTH /STATUTE/: 16.2 MILES PATH WIDTH /MAXIMUM/: 2.6 MILES FATALITIES: N/A INJURIES: N/A START DATE: MAY 31 2013 START TIME: 6:03 PM CDT START LOCATION: 8.3 WSW OF EL RENO /CANADIAN COUNTY /OK NEAR COURTNEY ROAD ABOUT 1 MILE NORTH OF REUTER ROAD START LAT/LON: 35.495 / -98.095 END DATE: MAY 31 2013 END TIME: 6:43 PM CDT END LOCATION: 6.2 ESE OF EL RENO /CANADIAN COUNTY /OK NEAR INTERSTATE 40 AND BANNER ROAD END LAT/LON: 35.502 / -97.848 $ SMITH/GARFIELD/SPEHEGER/AUSTIN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mappy Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 Damn. Two EF5s in just under two weeks to hit the same metro area is crazy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torchageddon Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 That tornado was absolutely outrageous, I would have never imagined vortices moving at a forward speed like that. I expected it to be an EF5 so that's not surprising, the 2.6 mile wide width is. For me, its in the Top 5 most epic recorded tornadoes and that is a true achievement, 2013 has been extraordinary regardless of number of total tornadoes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
battlebrick Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 i just want everyone to stop what they're doing and think how big 2.6 miles is. that is absolutely insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boch23 Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 i just want everyone to stop what they're doing and think how big 2.6 miles is. that is absolutely insane. Roughly 2.5 times the size of my hometown..... I can't even begin to imagine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SluggerWx Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 Has anyone seen this image: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewxmann Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 Wow, that is a great image, thanks for sharing. You can see the Shawnee scar too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxsniss Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 Astonishing. This obviously could have been catastrophic if it stayed together. The point of maximum width and intensity on the path map posted above corresponds to this radar image: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyhb Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 Astonishing. This obviously could have been catastrophic if it stayed together. The point of maximum width and intensity on the path map posted above corresponds to this radar image: ImageUploadedByTapatalk1370377525.278758.jpg Or if it had developed further east, I literally can't imagine what we'd be looking back on now had a tornado of that size and intensity enveloped the OKC metro with basically every road in the city clogged with traffic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocoAko Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVUHdCGqiSI Animation showing chasers based on Spotter Network positions and their relation to the tornado based on radar data. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDweatherman Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 Or if it had developed further east, I literally can't imagine what we'd be looking back on now had a tornado of that size and intensity enveloped the OKC metro with basically every road in the city clogged with traffic. Agreed andy, I kept telling a friend when we were tracking the tornado man if this were in OKC, we have spotters clogging roads, civilians out there (some who are just getting on the road to outrun it thanks to the Moore event), this could be horrible. Seriously, we lost some great chasers and lives were lost, but we could've been looking at the worst tornado in US history wrt deaths and damage ever. I find it would certainly eclipse the tri-state tornado because of all the motorists that would be helpless in the downtown area. Some said with Sandy, areas dodged a bullet. That might be true despite the devastation, though the damage was done. However, in this instance, it really could have been much worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocoAko Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 FWIW, Howie Bluestein is scheduled to be on PBS at 6:40 or 6:45PM CDT discussing his measurements he got with the RaXPOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxsniss Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 Has anyone seen this image: wait till you get snowcover... the 37 mile scar of the 2011 Springfield Massachusetts tornado track was still visible on sat images this last winter by differential snowcover (EDIT: actually, may not be visible if not a wooded area... the MA tornado went through forested area) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OKpowdah Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 NWSNorman on Twitter: "The tornado count for May 31 will rise as analysis continues, including an anticyclonic EF2 tornado SE of the El Reno tornado." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ensō Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 FWIW, Howie Bluestein is scheduled to be on PBS at 6:40 or 6:45PM CDT discussing his measurements he got with the RaXPOL. Must be a local thing? Doesn't look like it's on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superstorm93 Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 Anyone want to start an El Reno 2013 Tornado thread and merge these posts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocoAko Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 Leave it to Bill Nye the "Science" guy to not-so-subtly hint that climate change was responsible for the El Reno tornado's width. Had the audacity to not only claim that climate change models hint at stronger tornadoes (uh?), but cites the fact that there were tornadoes in Brooklyn last year (gasp!) as evidence of change. Don't mean to derail the thread, but ugh.... it was only a matter of time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocoAko Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 Must be a local thing? Doesn't look like it's on here. On now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyhb Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 Leave it to Bill Nye the "Science" guy to not-so-subtly hint that climate change was responsible for the El Reno tornado's width. Had the audacity to not only claim that climate change models hint at stronger tornadoes (uh?), but cites the fact that there were tornadoes in Brooklyn last year (gasp!) as evidence of change. Don't mean to derail the thread, but ugh.... it was only a matter of time... He needs to shut up, no other way to put it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocoAko Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 Must be a local thing? Doesn't look like it's on here. Sorry if that wasn't what anyone expected. Was a good interview, but I thought it'd be more about the actual measurements. Oh well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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