CoastalWx Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 There has even been some weak -EPV on the soundings meaning somewhat unstable layer near the top of the saturation zone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ORH_wxman Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 Looks like Will and Powderfreak are bonding nicely as they stroll through Stowe village the evening before a potentially historic snowfall. 2013-05-24 21.28.15-1.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugarloaf1989 Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 Someone should start a snow obs thread, or a damaging snowfall thread, either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bch2014 Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 They are reporting snow at Magic Mtn in VT... From Twitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 I love Powerfreak's face in that pic, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 picture them hand in hand singing Let It snow, oh the weather outside is frightful..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 Who would have known we'd be using CC on dual pol to check out the rain/snow line on May 24th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 Looks like Will and Powderfreak are bonding nicely as they stroll through Stowe village the evening before a potentially historic snowfall. 2013-05-24 21.28.15-1.jpg did you put me on a chick's body!? Why do I have to be the woman? Solid work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 Those high spots may be snowing all day, esp above 2k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 Who would have known we'd be using CC on dual pol to check out the rain/snow line on May 24th. LOl was just doing that, just having these discussions on Memorial day weekend is Halloween Deja vu. Man have we seen some history or what lately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 They are reporting snow at Magic Mtn in VT... From Twitter No way? Already? They are pretty far south and east of the crest. Hmmmm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Rain Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 I can't wait to watch this unfold tomorrow. Good luck Will! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klw Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 hey what happened to CTsnowstorm? I would have expected him to be all over this? I see he hasn't checked the site since April. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amped Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 did you put me on a chick's body!? Why do I have to be the woman? Solid work. The result looks like Hurricane Josh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 Well, Will is pretty tall... Maybe MRG will open the single chair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 LOl was just doing that, just having these discussions on Memorial day weekend is Halloween Deja vu. Man have we seen some history or what lately. It def feels like before October 2011...though not quite as crazy since the population affected is much less. But the historic nature of it feels the same. If this thing had bombed a little further south, then ORH hills/Berks probably would have gotten hit pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 Irene, Rocktober, Brimfield Beast, Sandy, Nemo, Memorial Mauler? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 Well, Will is pretty tall... Maybe MRG will open the single chair Do we know how tall powderfreak is? I'm 6'1 so it wouldnt work on a chicks body, but if PF is tall too then who knows, lol. I guess I wasn't to be demasculinized as a met on a weatherboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 Snow even down to CON briefly this run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bch2014 Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 No way? Already? They are pretty far south and east of the crest. Hmmmm. This is the tweet "Snowing! #oppositeworld" Whether that means, opposite to the season, or whether they mean its really raining, and they wish it was snowing, I'm not sure. But, I feel like they wouldn't post something like that if it wasn't really snowing... If it's raining, that's extremely misleading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 Snow even down to CON briefly this run. image.jpg With that omega it would not surprise me in the least Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 Irene, Rocktober, Brimfield Beast, Sandy, Nemo, Memorial Mauler?Nemo...ugh...stupid name Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 Nemo...ugh...stupid name I never call it by that name...its the Feb 2013 blizzard to me like all past winter storms. I don't even remember the name of the March 6-8 storm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 Nemo...ugh...stupid name Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil882 Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 Yeah I love those types of studies...snow growth really can play a large factor in the latent cooling. One reason we love to see big omega in the SGZ during marginal situations...really helps lower that FRZ level. Exactly... and its one reason why people always get excited when talking about dynamical cooling. Its the non-linear relationship that heavier and larger hydrometers have on the atmosphere. And in this particular case, we have all factors working together. NNW to NW winds... upslope component will produce adiabatic lift to cool the column for the NW facing slopes. Same flow will help to enhance precipitation rates for NW facing slopes Deformation zone with TROWAL providing additional isentropic lift above mountains. The combination should allow for a very deep and moist vertical profile. This is just the sort of profile you want to have for very large dendrites that will aggregate as snow falls into the melting layer. As mentioned before, huge snowflakes decend further down in the atmosphere before melting, which allows for long isothermal layers. If the melting layer starts at 925 hPa (~ 760m ~ 2500 ft)... with very heavy precipitation rates you can oftentimes see the snow line (level at which 50% of hydrometers are still frozen) dip as much as 450m (1500 ft) below the freezing line, which means the snow line could theoretically be seen as far down as 1000 ft. Of course it all depends on the precipitation rate, but with all the factors working in our favor, especially on upslope locations, you have to like your chances, even for those between 1500-2000 feet under those especially heavy precipitation rates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 I hope people can comprehend what it means to see soundings in areas like CON as snow briefly....even if only flakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 I never call it by that name...its the Feb 2013 blizzard to me like all past winter storms. I don't even remember the name of the March 6-8 storm. We could call Feb 2013 the No Mr Hype storm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N. OF PIKE Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 Pfreak id say is taller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 The key thing thats probably getting underplayed at this point is the fact that there is a substancial upslope component to the low-level wind. Not only will dynamical cooling be working in our favor, but there will also be a substancial mesoscale lowering of the snow line due to adiabatic lift. One of our new professors actually did a large portion of his PhD. research on the mesoscale snow line lowering associated with topography. http://www.atmos.albany.edu/facstaff/jminder/research/minder_etal_snowline.pdf When investigating mesoscale snow line controls in high topography, the key features that affect the snow line in the mountains are: approximently 1.) Latent Cooling from melting precipitation 2.) Microphysical Melting Distance 3.) Adiabatic Cooling Awesome post! I see this all the time locally. A lot of folks around here who ski notice it too...we are always commenting how the snow level on the Spine (Mt Mansfield for us in Stowe) is often quite a bit lower in marginal orographic events than neighboring mountains just outside of the Spine. My town is bordered by two spines in fact...the Worcester Range to the east with a 3000-3600ft ridge line and the true Green Mountain Spine to our west. The main spine to the west gets the NW flow upslope and can have snow levels up to 1000ft lower than the Worcester Range which is like 10 miles east and outside of the better upslope assisted cooling region. With this event I can envision something like this event...this was last April when 30" fell at 3,500ft (about the cloud level in this photo) while only 2-4" of 34F slop fell at 1500ft (where photo was taken). Between 1500ft and 2000ft, the accumulations went up from 2-4" to like 12-15" (where the trees become caked) as that was the difference between 34F and 32F. Up higher where temps were 28-30F, over 2 feet fell on 3" of QPF. It may pan out similar this weekend if it goes right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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