Ginx snewx Posted May 15, 2013 Author Share Posted May 15, 2013 Suppose you are right. It categorically rules out any ideas about the river moderating temps at all since they are right on it, although maybe nobody had those ideas to begin with! Just seems that CEF is always a lot colder than Noho, Greenfield, etc.... other places on the river not too much higher in elevation but further north. The fact that those places I mentioned don't have calibrated and sited AWOS stations might also account for it. The houses next to the river this morning had the most frost and ice on the windshields. There was some river valley fog as I got closer to the coast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 Suppose you are right. It categorically rules out any ideas about the river moderating temps at all since they are right on it, although maybe nobody had those ideas to begin with! Just seems that CEF is always a lot colder than Noho, Greenfield, etc.... other places on the river not too much higher in elevation but further north. The fact that those places I mentioned don't have calibrated and sited AWOS stations might also account for it. I thought CEF was about a mile or mile and a half from the river...that would seem to be far enough from it to mitigate any microclimate effects as the river isn't wide enough to spread its influence of the water temps more than a few hundred feet I would guess. At least when it comes to major temperature influence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapturedNature Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 Best example of that might be the former COOP at Chester, MA. IIRC, it set both the state's hottest and coldest readings, less than 6 years apart: 107 on 8/2/75 (tied with New Bedford, same day) and -35 on 1/12/81. I don't know if it was a different guy or not but I seem to recall an issue or question of the readings from a COOP around there in the 80s. I was interning at Ch 22 at the time and there was a guy that was a weather watcher for them who was also a COOP. Back then the COOPs reported to the WFO office at Bradley and I thought they had dropped him because they found out that he was falsifying his readings. I think they had put a thermograph near his site or something like that and temps were consistently off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapturedNature Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 I thought CEF was about a mile or mile and a half from the river...that would seem to be far enough from it to mitigate any microclimate effects as the river isn't wide enough to spread its influence of the water temps more than a few hundred feet I would guess. At least when it comes to major temperature influence. Yeah, I mentioned in other post that it's probably one of the flattest, open areas in SNE: https://maps.google.com/?ll=42.191009,-72.555428&spn=0.072623,0.110378&t=h&z=13 It's also about 3 miles and 100' above the CT River. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapturedNature Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 I don't know if it was a different guy or not but I seem to recall an issue or question of the readings from a COOP around there in the 80s. I was interning at Ch 22 at the time and there was a guy that was a weather watcher for them who was also a COOP. Back then the COOPs reported to the WFO office at Bradley and I thought they had dropped him because they found out that he was falsifying his readings. I think they had put a thermograph near his site or something like that and temps were consistently off. I think Chester was the place - here's a PDF of his daily report from Jan 1988. Note that he reported -36° on two occasions: http://www1.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/orders/IPS-E2BAA42C-DF93-45C1-B13C-AAFBA6172716.pdf The one on the 11th has a 62° diurnal range! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 I think Chester was the place - here's a PDF of his daily report from Jan 1988. Note that he reported -36° on two occasions: http://www1.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/orders/IPS-E2BAA42C-DF93-45C1-B13C-AAFBA6172716.pdf The one on the 11th has a 62° diurnal range! The max temperatures on Jan 5-6, 1988 look unrealistic as well. ORH had highs in the mid to upper teens those days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 Actual lows.... impressed that the Morrisville-Stowe ASOS hit 25F. The lowest I saw was 27F. We do the classic valley diurnal ranges well, being sandwiched between a 3,000ft ridge and a 4,000ft ridge....already up to 64F at 1pm. Should easily be a 40+ diurnal swing today within the next hour or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugarloaf1989 Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 Low of 38F here last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamarack Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 I think Chester was the place - here's a PDF of his daily report from Jan 1988. Note that he reported -36° on two occasions: http://www1.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/orders/IPS-E2BAA42C-DF93-45C1-B13C-AAFBA6172716.pdf The one on the 11th has a 62° diurnal range! That does look more than a little suspicious, both the diurnal ranges and the huge difference between the minima and other stations not too far away. However, when I search out states' all time highs and lows, the Chester numbers still show up, and the two dates had some extreme temps elsewhere, especially "hot Saturday" in 1975. (Most places outside frost pockets set their Jan 1981 low on the 4th, rather than 11th or 12th.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey2002 Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 Looks like the same here....nice and frosty Yeah temps just dropped like a rock last night... by 2AM it was down to 33 degrees on our way to 30. Do you know how cold it got up in Union? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapturedNature Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 Yeah temps just dropped like a rock last night... by 2AM it was down to 33 degrees on our way to 30. Do you know how cold it got up in Union? Looks like it was 31. They start off really good but then it slows down. My digital thermometer had 29 but the thermometer in the box read 28° for my official low. That broke the previous "record" of 30° and is the latest 20's I've recorded. The later freezes have been 30+ with the latest one being June 4th, 1986. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 Looks like it was 31. They start off really good but then it slows down. My digital thermometer had 29 but the thermometer in the box read 28° for my official low. That broke the previous "record" of 30° and is the latest 20's I've recorded. The later freezes have been 30+ with the latest one being June 4th, 1986.Dear Lord. June 4. Take a hammer to knee cap if that happens again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey2002 Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 Looks like it was 31. They start off really good but then it slows down. My digital thermometer had 29 but the thermometer in the box read 28° for my official low. That broke the previous "record" of 30° and is the latest 20's I've recorded. The later freezes have been 30+ with the latest one being June 4th, 1986. Wow, June 4th 1986? Luckily I wasn't quite born yet, but that had to be brutal. Did it turn out to be a cool summer overall that year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 Dear Lord. June 4. Take a hammer to knee cap if that happens again Last 32F for CON is 6/26. First in the fall is 8/29. You would love that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 Wow, June 4th 1986? Luckily I wasn't quite born yet, but that had to be brutal. Did it turn out to be a cool summer overall that year? 1986 was a very chilly summer in New England. All 3 months below average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugarloaf1989 Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 I was just curious about the Connecticut statewide record low. Ryans blog has a -32F tie with Falls Village in 1943 and -32F in Coventry on January 22, 1961. Is this my town? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 I was just curious about the Connecticut statewide record low. Ryans blog has a -32F tie with Falls Village in 1943 and -32F in Coventry on January 22, 1961. Is this my town? Yes it appears it is the old Coventry COOP. It was lower than you though as the metadata lists it at 480 feet. Makes sense I guess if they recorded a temp that low. They would have needed to be in a favorable basin lower than the surrounding terrain to achieve that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 Yes it appears it is the old Coventry COOP. It was lower than you though as the metadata lists it at 480 feet. Makes sense I guess if they recorded a temp that low. They would have needed to be in a favorable basin lower than the surrounding terrain to achieve that. That's all flat farmland in that area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 I remember a cold shot early July '96 I believe where the bogs in SE MA tickled 32. I used to volunteer at BOX and they were shocked at the reports. Edit, I can't see the exact date, but it was a radiating night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 I remember a cold shot early July '96 I believe where the bogs in SE MA tickled 32. I used to volunteer at BOX and they were shocked at the reports. Edit, I can't see the exact date, but it was a radiating night. Hrm...looking back on some obs I don't see anything close to 32. Do you mean June or July? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugarloaf1989 Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 That's all flat farmland in that area. The only areas of my town that low in elevation are near the Mansfield line and it's definitely not flat, nor is it farmland It's more like a bowl, which would make sense to get such a cold reading. The only flat farmland in my town is right around where I live in North Coventry, which used to be cultivated for vegetable farming and in a few spots right along the Willimantic River. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugarloaf1989 Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 1986 was a very chilly summer in New England. All 3 months below average. Killington Peak, Vermont had 4" of snow in August of 1984 at 4,000' of elevation, I am not sure what storm that was related to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 Scott...are you sure it wasn't June 1997? I see MVY with a 33F on 6/9. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 The only areas of my town that low in elevation are near the Mansfield line and it's definitely not flat, nor is it farmland It's more like a bowl, which would make sense to get such a cold reading.That area over by CVS and DD on the way to Bolton is fairly flat and full of farm fields Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 Hrm...looking back on some obs I don't see anything close to 32. Do you mean June or July? I looked at June, may have been early June I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 Scott...are you sure it wasn't June 1997? I see MVY with a 33F on 6/9. It may have been, but I definitely was not at BOX. It's all good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugarloaf1989 Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 That area over by CVS and DD on the way to Bolton is fairly flat and full of farm fields That's North Coventry close to where I live, it's on very large flat plateau at about 600-930' in elevation. South coventry is the lake area and it's about 300-500' lower in elevation and very hilly with thick forest lands. The cold temperature reading was almost certainly from South Coventry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 It may have been, but I definitely was not at BOX. It's all good. Well you would know since you were at BOX. I'm having no luck though. Maybe Will will recall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 That's North Coventry close to where I live, it's on very large flat plateau at about 600-930' in elevation. South coventry is the lake area and it's about 300-500' lower in elevation and very hilly with thick forest lands. The cold temperature reading was almost certainly from South Coventry.I know where you live. Those farm fields over there radiate like a mofo. I always think that's a prime spot for a TOR whenever I drive by there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey2002 Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 I know where you live. Those farm fields over there radiate like a mofo. I always think that's a prime spot for a TOR whenever I drive by there Have you seen the flat fields where the old Gottier farm used to be off Sugar Hill Rd across from Leela Way? My parents said a small funnel touched down there about 15-20 years ago back when it was still a farm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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