The early speculation on winter 2013-14

[ORH_wxman]

It really is a win-win for a snow lover to play it conservative though...that way the busts don't hurt . Reverse psych or being able to claim you were right.

Plus I'd be hesitant too after his winter last season...there's almost no where to go but down in that area of CT after jackpotting last winter. Maybe climo catches up and he watches Pike north get clobbered.

 

 

Climo is a strong thing. He's almost certain not to get as much snow as last year...same with me. We had the 5th snowiest winter on record in ORH.

 

NNE might be due for a big winter. Its been a while since they "jackpotted" relative to climo in New England in a solid winter. After the SNE-centric winters of '04-'05 and '05-'06, they got back to back jackpots in '06-'07 and '07-'08. Maybe we see something similar again.

[radarman]

Climo is a strong thing. He's almost certain not to get as much snow as last year...same with me. We had the 5th snowiest winter on record in ORH.

 

NNE might be due for a big winter. Its been a while since they "jackpotted" relative to climo in New England in a solid winter. After the SNE-centric winters of '04-'05 and '05-'06, they got back to back jackpots in '06-'07 and '07-'08. Maybe we see something similar again.

 

Despite a pretty decent Feb and Mar '07 it's hard to think of that as a jackpot year for NNE even if they did better than SNE.  Still they must've been well below average because practically nothing fell before a Jan 15th mix event.

[powderfreak]

Climo is a strong thing. He's almost certain not to get as much snow as last year...same with me. We had the 5th snowiest winter on record in ORH.

NNE might be due for a big winter. Its been a while since they "jackpotted" relative to climo in New England in a solid winter. After the SNE-centric winters of '04-'05 and '05-'06, they got back to back jackpots in '06-'07 and '07-'08. Maybe we see something similar again.

Yeah it's been a little while for us relative to climo...I'm just bidding my time because it'll happen at some point. Starting with the mid-Atlantic jackpot in 2009-2010, we haven't had a real solid above normal winter...though 2010-2011 was above average, it was minor compared to SNE.

Really 2007-2008 was our last banner winter. I try not to get too caught up in it as we still get snow and a good bit of it in bad winters...but our turn relative to climo will come around again.

I'd actually throw southern Canada and upstate NY like ALB/SYR into that relative minimum mix as well...SNE has had a good run of benchmark type nor'easters instead of coastal plain trackers that light up the BGM-ALB-BTV corridor...that's bound to turn around too at some point.

[ORH_wxman]

Despite a pretty decent Feb and Mar '07 it's hard to think of that as a jackpot year for NNE even if they did better than SNE.  Still they must've been well below average because practically nothing fell before a Jan 15th mix event.

 

Well I know BTV had 94.6" which is above average for them. More snow than they got last year, in '08-'09, and '04-'05.

 

Further east in NNE didn't make as good of a comeback. But that area in VT did amazing in the 2nd half. I know the spine of the Greens just got dumped on too...way more than enough to make up for the first couple months of that winter and they finished well above average.

[CoastalWx]

The Maine mtns and even nrn NH also got buried in the Patriots Day storm.

[OceanStWx]

The Maine mtns and even nrn NH also got buried in the Patriots Day storm.

FARMINGTON (172765)Daily Data for a MonthMonth: Apr 2007Day   MaxT  MinT  AvgT   HDD   CDD  Pcpn  Snow  Snwg 1      45    19  32.0    33     0  0.00   0.0     T 2      58    32  45.0    20     0  0.38   1.3     T 3      38    31  34.5    30     0  0.14   1.5     T 4      37    27  32.0    33     0  0.76   7.5     8 5      32    26  29.0    36     0  1.00  10.5    16 6      39    26  32.5    32     0  0.00   0.0    14 7      39    25  32.0    33     0     T   0.0    13 8      35    22  28.5    36     0  0.00   0.0    12 9      35    30  32.5    32     0  0.00   0.0    1110      38    25  31.5    33     0  0.00   0.0    1011      39    18  28.5    36     0  0.00   0.0     812      46    20  33.0    32     0  0.90   8.5    1513      38    29  33.5    31     0  0.32   2.3    1214      42    31  36.5    28     0  0.00   0.0     815      48    30  39.0    26     0  0.68   3.0     916      41    32  36.5    28     0  3.44   0.5     717      37    32  34.5    30     0  1.70   1.0     718      37    36  36.5    28     0  0.25   0.0     T19      49    34  41.5    23     0  0.00   0.0     T20      60    26  43.0    22     0  0.00   0.0     T21      72    29  50.5    14     0  0.00   0.0     T22      69    27  48.0    17     0  0.00   0.0     T23      68    30  49.0    16     0  0.00   0.0     T24      78    34  56.0     9     0     T   0.0     T25      66    28  47.0    18     0  0.00   0.0     T26      52    24  38.0    27     0  0.00   0.0     T27      62    39  50.5    14     0  0.15   0.0     T28      47    37  42.0    23     0  0.06   0.0     T29      51    43  47.0    18     0  0.66   0.0     030      48    40  44.0    21     0  0.22   0.0     0Smry  48.2  29.4  38.8   779     0 10.66  36.1   5.0

EUSTIS (172700)Daily Data for a MonthMonth: Apr 2007Day   MaxT  MinT  AvgT   HDD   CDD  Pcpn  Snow  Snwg 1      39    20  29.5    35     0  0.00   0.0    19 2      51    20  35.5    29     0  0.18   0.2    18 3      35    28  31.5    33     0  0.28   1.8    20 4      34    27  30.5    34     0  0.02     T    20 5      28    23  25.5    39     0  0.93  14.3    34 6      31    21  26.0    39     0  0.25   8.6    28 7      29    18  23.5    41     0  0.00   0.0    28 8      29    17  23.0    42     0  0.00   0.0    28 9      30    17  23.5    41     0     T     T    2810      32    25  28.5    36     0  0.02   0.5    2811      32    16  24.0    41     0  0.00   0.0    2812      38    11  24.5    40     0  0.00   0.0    2213      38    24  31.0    34     0  0.83  13.4    3014      34    27  30.5    34     0  0.01     T    2815      39    28  33.5    31     0     T   0.0    2116      37    30  33.5    31     0  0.61   2.8    2417      34    31  32.5    32     0  3.05   8.4    3318      35    30  32.5    32     0  0.77   2.1    3419      45    31  38.0    27     0  0.00   0.0    3020      55    25  40.0    25     0  0.00   0.0    2821      62    26  44.0    21     0  0.00   0.0    2322      59    26  42.5    22     0  0.00   0.0    2323      64    27  45.5    19     0  0.00   0.0    2024      72    39  55.5     9     0  0.01   0.0    1725      46    29  37.5    27     0  0.00   0.0    1726      46    23  34.5    30     0  0.00   0.0    1527      55    33  44.0    21     0  0.00   0.0    1528      44    34  39.0    26     0  0.14   0.0    1429      46    35  40.5    24     0  0.27   0.0    1330      45    35  40.0    25     0  0.16   0.0    13Smry  42.1  25.9  34.0   920     0  7.53  52.1  23.3

[powderfreak]

Despite a pretty decent Feb and Mar '07 it's hard to think of that as a jackpot year for NNE even if they did better than SNE. Still they must've been well below average because practically nothing fell before a Jan 15th mix event.

That winter was decently above average in the mountains....had 374" on Mansfield and 94" in BTV, both above the average by a bit, and all falling after like Jan 15th. Mansfield had 6 feet in April alone that season. Once it started snowing, it didn't stop for FEB/MAR/APR.

Valentines Day delivered 4-5 feet at the ski areas (biggest snowstorm I've ever witnessed) and St Patty's Day brought 3 feet (only 12" synoptic but another couple feet of upslope in the days after)...there was a 30" storm that April while it rained in the valleys too.

That winter was the most epic turn around ever.

[powderfreak]

The Maine mtns and even nrn NH also got buried in the Patriots Day storm.

That may be the one I'm thinking of...there was a storm that April that dropped 2-3 feet of cement at Stowe while it poured in BTV, then changed to rain on Mansfield and rained another like 1-2". That's the only time I've seen runnels in the new snow like you do in the Cascades after big snow changes to pouring rain. I've got a pic at home of a car with 2 feet on it, sliding off the front hood as it poured.

[radarman]

That winter was decently above average in the mountains....had 374" on Mansfield and 94" in BTV, both above the average by a bit, and all falling after like Jan 15th. Mansfield had 6 feet in April alone that season. Once it started snowing, it didn't stop for FEB/MAR/APR.

Valentines Day delivered 4-5 feet at the ski areas (biggest snowstorm I've ever witnessed) and St Patty's Day brought 3 feet (only 12" synoptic but another couple feet of upslope in the days after)...there was a 30" storm that April while it rained in the valleys too.

That winter was the most epic turn around ever.

 

Yeah I had two memorable days on V Day and St. Patty's myself.  But I'm surprised you made it above average regardless because I skied Jan 15th of that year and there was literally nothing besides man made on the peaks let alone the valleys.  As I left the ZR began and that marked the big turnaround.

[CoastalWx]

That may be the one I'm thinking of...there was a storm that April that dropped 2-3 feet of cement at Stowe while it poured in BTV, then changed to rain on Mansfield and rained another like 1-2". That's the only time I've seen runnels in the new snow like you do in the Cascades after big snow changes to pouring rain. I've got a pic at home of a car with 2 feet on it, sliding off the front hood as it poured.

 

That gave a little snow to interior ORH county too. That was a big storm...winds were very impressive here.

[CoastalWx]

FARMINGTON (172765)Daily Data for a MonthMonth: Apr 2007Day   MaxT  MinT  AvgT   HDD   CDD  Pcpn  Snow  Snwg 1      45    19  32.0    33     0  0.00   0.0     T 2      58    32  45.0    20     0  0.38   1.3     T 3      38    31  34.5    30     0  0.14   1.5     T 4      37    27  32.0    33     0  0.76   7.5     8 5      32    26  29.0    36     0  1.00  10.5    16 6      39    26  32.5    32     0  0.00   0.0    14 7      39    25  32.0    33     0     T   0.0    13 8      35    22  28.5    36     0  0.00   0.0    12 9      35    30  32.5    32     0  0.00   0.0    1110      38    25  31.5    33     0  0.00   0.0    1011      39    18  28.5    36     0  0.00   0.0     812      46    20  33.0    32     0  0.90   8.5    1513      38    29  33.5    31     0  0.32   2.3    1214      42    31  36.5    28     0  0.00   0.0     815      48    30  39.0    26     0  0.68   3.0     916      41    32  36.5    28     0  3.44   0.5     717      37    32  34.5    30     0  1.70   1.0     718      37    36  36.5    28     0  0.25   0.0     T19      49    34  41.5    23     0  0.00   0.0     T20      60    26  43.0    22     0  0.00   0.0     T21      72    29  50.5    14     0  0.00   0.0     T22      69    27  48.0    17     0  0.00   0.0     T23      68    30  49.0    16     0  0.00   0.0     T24      78    34  56.0     9     0     T   0.0     T25      66    28  47.0    18     0  0.00   0.0     T26      52    24  38.0    27     0  0.00   0.0     T27      62    39  50.5    14     0  0.15   0.0     T28      47    37  42.0    23     0  0.06   0.0     T29      51    43  47.0    18     0  0.66   0.0     030      48    40  44.0    21     0  0.22   0.0     0Smry  48.2  29.4  38.8   779     0 10.66  36.1   5.0

EUSTIS (172700)Daily Data for a MonthMonth: Apr 2007Day   MaxT  MinT  AvgT   HDD   CDD  Pcpn  Snow  Snwg 1      39    20  29.5    35     0  0.00   0.0    19 2      51    20  35.5    29     0  0.18   0.2    18 3      35    28  31.5    33     0  0.28   1.8    20 4      34    27  30.5    34     0  0.02     T    20 5      28    23  25.5    39     0  0.93  14.3    34 6      31    21  26.0    39     0  0.25   8.6    28 7      29    18  23.5    41     0  0.00   0.0    28 8      29    17  23.0    42     0  0.00   0.0    28 9      30    17  23.5    41     0     T     T    2810      32    25  28.5    36     0  0.02   0.5    2811      32    16  24.0    41     0  0.00   0.0    2812      38    11  24.5    40     0  0.00   0.0    2213      38    24  31.0    34     0  0.83  13.4    3014      34    27  30.5    34     0  0.01     T    2815      39    28  33.5    31     0     T   0.0    2116      37    30  33.5    31     0  0.61   2.8    2417      34    31  32.5    32     0  3.05   8.4    3318      35    30  32.5    32     0  0.77   2.1    3419      45    31  38.0    27     0  0.00   0.0    3020      55    25  40.0    25     0  0.00   0.0    2821      62    26  44.0    21     0  0.00   0.0    2322      59    26  42.5    22     0  0.00   0.0    2323      64    27  45.5    19     0  0.00   0.0    2024      72    39  55.5     9     0  0.01   0.0    1725      46    29  37.5    27     0  0.00   0.0    1726      46    23  34.5    30     0  0.00   0.0    1527      55    33  44.0    21     0  0.00   0.0    1528      44    34  39.0    26     0  0.14   0.0    1429      46    35  40.5    24     0  0.27   0.0    1330      45    35  40.0    25     0  0.16   0.0    13Smry  42.1  25.9  34.0   920     0  7.53  52.1  23.3

 

Impressive. That was the storm the GFS kept trying to bury SNE with snow only for it to trend further NW with time.

[heavy_wx]

Yeah it's been a little while for us relative to climo...I'm just bidding my time because it'll happen at some point. Starting with the mid-Atlantic jackpot in 2009-2010, we haven't had a real solid above normal winter...though 2010-2011 was above average, it was minor compared to SNE.

Really 2007-2008 was our last banner winter. I try not to get too caught up in it as we still get snow and a good bit of it in bad winters...but our turn relative to climo will come around again.

I'd actually throw southern Canada and upstate NY like ALB/SYR into that relative minimum mix as well...SNE has had a good run of benchmark type nor'easters instead of coastal plain trackers that light up the BGM-ALB-BTV corridor...that's bound to turn around too at some point.

 

Yeah, it's been a while since Albany's had a major nor'easter. The last storm they had greater than 18" was in December 2003.

[powderfreak]

Well I know BTV had 94.6" which is above average for them. More snow than they got last year, in '08-'09, and '04-'05.

Further east in NNE didn't make as good of a comeback. But that area in VT did amazing in the 2nd half. I know the spine of the Greens just got dumped on too...way more than enough to make up for the first couple months of that winter and they finished well above average.

Yeah that winter goes down as a win in my book...solid above normal and all of it falling from February onward. Epic stretch that started with the Valentines Day bomb pictured here....my friend is on skis (floatation devices) and he is still 3+ feet into the snow. The mountains got an honest 48" in like 24 hours with that storm. Changed the landscape.

[powderfreak]

Yeah, it's been a while since Albany's had a major nor'easter. The last storm they had greater than 18" was in December 2003.

Wasn't Valentines Day 07 a 18"+? I know most of the suburbs were 20-24"...I thought the airport was 20". My last year living in ALB was 2002-2003 and we had 50" in 10 days including two 18-24" storms...Xmas 02 and Jan 4, 03.

They've been in a drought though lately.

[heavy_wx]

Wasn't Valentines Day 07 a 18"+? I know most of the suburbs were 20-24"...I thought the airport was 20". My last year living in ALB was 2002-2003 and we had 50" in 10 days including two 18-24" storms...Xmas 02 and Jan 4, 03.

They've been in a drought though lately.

 

The airport got 16.8" that storm, though areas north and west of Albany in the Mohawk Valley and southern Adirondacks got over 30".

 

2002-2003 was an incredible winter in Albany; I think the number three seasonal snowfall on record.

[ORH_wxman]

Wasn't Valentines Day 07 a 18"+? I know most of the suburbs were 20-24"...I thought the airport was 20". My last year living in ALB was 2002-2003 and we had 50" in 10 days including two 18-24" storms...Xmas 02 and Jan 4, 03.

They've been in a drought though lately.

 

 

I think ALB had something like 16.5" in the Vday storm. It was a good storm there, but they missed the best of it by a few miles.

[powderfreak]

I think ALB had something like 16.5" in the Vday storm. It was a good storm there, but they missed the best of it by a few miles.

Ahh good call.

BTW, ALY has some awesome historical storm data easily accessible on their web page.

Here's the storm map...note the 40+ inch amounts west of ALB:

Radar...just like SNE in this past Feb, this was one of those bands where you were like, that can't be snow in that band, is it? But yep, reds were snow and 3-6"/hr at that in that bad. I think E/SE OF ALB though was sleet.

[Damage In Tolland]

If we can hang on to that NPAC another 4-6 weeks we're in remarkable shape. Kevin is in the reverse psychology made ala his pooh poohing 5 days out of one of the great blizzards of modern times. Should I be right, he claims reverse psychology. Should I bust, he claims told ya so.

So Kevin, what's your call?

I don't anyone can realistically make a call for winter in early August lol.. October is when you can make a serious forecast

[weathafella]

If we can hang on to that NPAC another 4-6 weeks we're in remarkable shape. Kevin is in the reverse psychology made ala his pooh poohing 5 days out of one of the great blizzards of modern times. Should I be right, he claims reverse psychology. Should I bust, he claims told ya so.

So Kevin, what's your call?

I don't anyone can realistically make a call for winter in early August lol.. October is when you can make a serious forecast

The public likes hype. That's what sells.

[Damage In Tolland]

The public likes hype. That's what sells.

Correct, but if you hype and are wrong they gather round the rooftops ,naked and aroused, and 1 by 1 swoop down stomach first in a naked pigpile landing directly on top of one another.

 

So you must make sure you are 100% sure and correct first

[CoastalWx]

Correct, but if you hype and are wrong they gather round the rooftops ,naked and aroused, and 1 by 1 swoop down stomach first in a naked pigpile landing directly on top of one another.

 

So you must make sure you are 100% sure and correct first

 

I mean, really?

[joey2002]

Correct, but if you hype and are wrong they gather round the rooftops ,naked and aroused, and 1 by 1 swoop down stomach first in a naked pigpile landing directly on top of one another.

 

So you must make sure you are 100% sure and correct first

 

   

[CoastalWx]

I feel like Cape Cod is also sort of due for a 40"+ winter...like mid Cape and outer Cape. I think FMH area has done well recently.

[tamarack]

 

Well I know BTV had 94.6" which is above average for them. More snow than they got last year, in '08-'09, and '04-'05.

 

Further east in NNE didn't make as good of a comeback. But that area in VT did amazing in the 2nd half. I know the spine of the Greens just got dumped on too...way more than enough to make up for the first couple months of that winter and they finished well above average.

The temps turned around in mid-Jan 2007, but it took until V-Day for the snow to arrive. I measured only 19" thru the end of Jan, then 76" from then on. (For contraast, the previous winter's split was 44" thru 1/31 and 8" after 2/1. Yuck!) For Farmington, 06-07 was 19"/83", mainly because they recorded 23" from V-Day while I measured "only" 15.5" despite 10-15F temps during the heavy stuff. All the inland stations in central/western Maine blew away their records for April snow, and the Patriots' Day event (only time I'll ever record 5" snow and 5" rain from the same storm) may have dumped 4' or more atop Sugarloaf. That year also featured my coldest Feb, coldest April, while March was 5th coldest of 15.

[J.Spin]

Despite a pretty decent Feb and Mar '07 it's hard to think of that as a jackpot year for NNE even if they did better than SNE.  Still they must've been well below average because practically nothing fell before a Jan 15th mix event.

 

 

Well I know BTV had 94.6" which is above average for them. More snow than they got last year, in '08-'09, and '04-'05.

 

Further east in NNE didn't make as good of a comeback. But that area in VT did amazing in the 2nd half. I know the spine of the Greens just got dumped on too...way more than enough to make up for the first couple months of that winter and they finished well above average.

 

 

That winter was decently above average in the mountains....had 374" on Mansfield and 94" in BTV, both above the average by a bit, and all falling after like Jan 15th. Mansfield had 6 feet in April alone that season. Once it started snowing, it didn't stop for FEB/MAR/APR.

Valentines Day delivered 4-5 feet at the ski areas (biggest snowstorm I've ever witnessed) and St Patty's Day brought 3 feet (only 12" synoptic but another couple feet of upslope in the days after)...there was a 30" storm that April while it rained in the valleys too.

That winter was the most epic turn around ever.

 

It’s interesting to hear the different opinions on the winter of ‘06-‘07 – it was absolutely the most epic of turnarounds, but I’m with radarMan in that I don’t think of it as a jackpot or banner year for NNE from my perspective.  For me, the fantastic second half essentially just made up for the horrible first half and got things back to status quo.  Snowfall for our location reflected that, only recovering to ~96% of average (essentially average), and up at Bolton Valley they recovered to a similar 97% of average.  It’s possible that we didn’t make up all of the lost ground in April at the house like some of the mountains did because of our low elevation.  And in the case of Bolton Valley, they might not have added/counted some of the accumulations later on into April after they were closed for the season, while as usual, some of the larger resorts continued operations later into the month.  Looking back now, the season feels like it balanced out to about average, although at the time I lived through it, I didn’t have any perspective on snowfall in our area.  It was my first season living right in the Northern Greens, having just returned to Vermont from several years out in Montana where our average snowfall was ~25”.  So 150”+ felt like an impressive amount of snow – little did I know it was fairly typical.

 

For me, ‘07-‘08 (203.2”) feels like our recent jackpot year (it sounds like folks are in general agreement there), and I think of ‘08-‘09 (179.4”) right along with it as it’s mini jackpot brother.  For some reason, the ‘10-‘11 season (197.0”) doesn’t feel the same as those two, despite the big snowfall numbers and a snowpack exceeding 40”.  Somehow we managed to whittle our way to almost 200” of snow, but it didn’t feel like NNE was “locked in” the way it was in ‘07-‘08.

 

I’ve added the usual data table below for additional reference:

 

[powderfreak]

 

 

It’s interesting to hear the different opinions on the winter of ‘06-‘07 – it was absolutely the most epic of turnarounds, but I’m with radarMan in that I don’t think of it as a jackpot or banner year for NNE from my perspective.  For me, the fantastic second half essentially just made up for the horrible first half and got things back to status quo.  Snowfall for our location reflected that, only recovering to ~96% of average (essentially average), and up at Bolton Valley they recovered to a similar 97% of average.  It’s possible that we didn’t make up all of the lost ground in April at the house like some of the mountains did because of our low elevation.  And in the case of Bolton Valley, they might not have added/counted some of the accumulations later on into April after they were closed for the season, while as usual, some of the larger resorts continued operations later into the month.  Looking back now, the season feels like it balanced out to about average, although at the time I lived through it, I didn’t have any perspective on snowfall in our area.  It was my first season living right in the Northern Greens, having just returned to Vermont from several years out in Montana where our average snowfall was ~25”.  So 150”+ felt like an impressive amount of snow – little did I know it was fairly typical.

 

For me, ‘07-‘08 (203.2”) feels like our recent jackpot year (it sounds like folks are in general agreement there), and I think of ‘08-‘09 (179.4”) right along with it as it’s mini jackpot brother.  For some reason, the ‘10-‘11 season (197.0”) doesn’t feel the same as those two, despite the big snowfall numbers and a snowpack exceeding 40”.  Somehow we managed to whittle our way to almost 200” of snow, but it didn’t feel like NNE was “locked in” the way it was in ‘07-‘08.

 

 

You hitting your average and exceeding it seems to hinge a lot on how many west slope upslope events we get...more so than here in Stowe where we sometimes get blocked by Mansfield.  Even if we have a plethora of synoptic events, it seems like your area, Bolton up towards Underhill needs some of those 18-24" NW flow fluff bombs to really boost the seasonal totals.  I also think using Bolton's snowfall numbers can be misleading with its shorter season than the bigger areas like Jay/Stowe/Sugarbush which can see an additional few weeks of accumulations.  A situation like April 2007 where Bolton may close at the beginning of the month, while Stowe picked up 76" that April and stayed open till May 1st, makes it hard to really compare. 

 

'07-'08 was the jackpot year but there was something special about '06-'07 for me.  That was my senior year at UVM and the last semester of school it just dumped, and dumped, and dumped.  It was one of those things where I wasn't exactly sure where the next year would take me and was getting quite depressed about the snow season in mid-January... I also learned some great life lessons that winter.  My college girlfriend and I had been together for over 3 years and she wanted to go live in NYC or Boston after school.  I was torn, considering leaving VT.  Then it snowed 3-4 feet on Valentines Day and I blew her off for fresh powder... we broke up within days of that storm and it was the best thing I've ever done.  I realized snow and skiing is more important than anything to me.  Then it proceeded to snow for like 3 straight months on the mountain (even 76" in April based on ski resort records!)  and I was there 5 days a week with friends.  That's when I started getting involved in the ski resort and things just took off from there.  So that winter has some personal meaning for me and that spring made up for the early season and then some, IMO.

 

'08-'09 I dislocated my knee at Stowe, (my knee cap/patella ended up facing the wrong way on the backside of my leg) and was out for most of the winter, so I just don't have a feel for that winter like I do the others. 

 

2010-2011 was really awesome and I think I underrate it... that March 6-7 storm dropped 27" in 24 hours and we had a lot of 8-12" type synoptic events... but those were usually on the outside of SNE getting some HECS so it didn't feel quite the same.  The jackpot definitely seemed to be in SNE for the heart of that winter in Jan/Feb.  Though February was really an under-rated month up here that season.  I remember one great wet snow thundersnow event in February 2011 and thats the last time I've seen thundersnow. 

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I feel like Cape Cod is also sort of due for a 40"+ winter...like mid Cape and outer Cape. I think FMH area has done well recently.

 

I agree. With super warm waters and an Offshore Coastal Bomb and fresh Arctic Air,   . In a good way. 

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I hate hype. It used to be fun, now it's getting old.

only some cancelled winter last year

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only some cancelled winter last year

Morch?

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was talking to my father in law who returned from a trip visiting family in Iowa last week. we started talking about the recent strectch of weather and he noted that his brother, a farmer for many years, noted that he expected a "tough" winter". his reasonong. cool/cold (however you would describe the last 3-4 weeks) augusts, in his estimation, portend a similar situation in the winter. of course i am sure his reference is iowa, not sure what that means for the northeast. i have no knowledge of any of this, but i thought it was interesting to relay the thoughts of a seasoned midwest farmer.