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December 19th-20 Storm Thread III


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They rarely come to fruition...the 500mb setup is not ideal as you generally want to see more of a vort max or PVA, but its not bad either...the 850 setup though is very good.

Models insist it primarily stays south of LI and SNE. Not the most impressive setup but it's something. What I'm saying is that the radar tomorrow afternoon is going to give a lot of weenies further north some false hope.

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The weenies are going to be going nuts tomorrow night. A lot of the models are developing an inverted trough/norlun signature south of LI that comes close to the NJ shore. The radar is going to look awesome as that's developing and the precip blossoms NW but in the end I think it will leave many still disappointed.

I was thinking that. There will be a lot of radar hallucinations and Jan 2000 posts.
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The weenies are going to be going nuts tomorrow night. A lot of the models are developing an inverted trough/norlun signature south of LI that comes close to the NJ shore. The radar is going to look awesome as that's developing and the precip blossoms NW but in the end I think it will leave many still disappointed.

I alluded to that earlier...I hope it's not something that looks great over water and then the nw part fizzles as it comes towards the nw. We should have the over/under on how many wv images and radar shots will be posted.

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Norlun signature remains evident on 18Z NAM for LI...at 850mb you can almost see the NE winds on the east side and the NW winds to the east.

most of us are not cheery to hear that a norlun is gonna hit LI and miss us teasingly.

and from a NY perspective you make look more at LI but do you think this norlun will effect SNE? or the sref and 18z nam is out to lunch with qpf

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I think the norlun is a red herring. It's a weakness that the models probably recognize this storm should be further nw than a position not far from Bermuda. I'm actually glad the Ec had it.

I think we will have a good idea even at 0z...ruc will either be ramping up or tossing in the towel then

These systems are absolutely your specialty and it looks like you may nail another one. Not a done deal yet but you nailed the potential certainly and models are now picking up on it.

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BOX:

SUNDAY AND SUNDAY NIGHT...

THE MODELS HAVE NOW COME INTO GOOD AGREEMENT THAT THE DEVELOPING

OCEAN STORM WILL PASS WELL SOUTHEAST OF THE BENCHMARK. WE DID

NOTICE THAT SOME OF THE 12Z MODEL RUNS DID INCH A BIT TOO THE

NORTHWEST FROM 00Z WITH THE QPF SHIELD. IN FACT...THE 15Z SREFS

SNOW PROBABILITIES INCREASED AND THE 18Z NAM MADE A DEFINITIVE JUMP

TO THE NORTHWEST WITH THE QPF SHIELD. WE ARE CERTAINLY NOT GOING TO

JUMP ON ONE MODEL RUN SUCH AS THE 18Z NAM...BUT WILL HAVE TO KEEP AN

EYE ON THE REST OF THE 18Z AND 00Z MODEL GUIDANCE THIS EVENING TO

SEE HOW THE MODELS TREND.

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