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December 19th-20 Storm Thread III


Baroclinic Zone

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turns out there's a bit of weenie in everyone

nam says this baby wants to curl up next to the NW wall of the Gulf stream?

Eastern end of long island back to the islands FTW....seems most 12z guidance went a bit south with LP positioning?

does moisture/lift RH look good for a nice precip shield NW of lp

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Convective robbing of baroclinic zone is a real thing though....a lot of times models do it incorrectly, but it doesn't mean its fake in nature. The models may be over playing it here, but if its still happening to some degree, then it really isn't enough to make a huge difference.

I highly doubt this is going to go 1/25/00 on us. Maybe we'll get lucky enough to pull out an inch or two though.

Of course, it's inherently and highly dubious, or we wouldn't characterize it as "1\25\00".

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Convective robbing of baroclinic zone is a real thing though....a lot of times models do it incorrectly, but it doesn't mean its fake in nature. The models may be over playing it here, but if its still happening to some degree, then it really isn't enough to make a huge difference.

I highly doubt this is going to go 1/25/00 on us. Maybe we'll get lucky enough to pull out an inch or two though.

I agree for a couple of reasons. 1, by the time the 1/25 situation became apparent this possiblities were no storm at all, or the 2nd energy triggering the storm. We have a storm here, it was just a mess. 2, totally different scenario with nowhere near the energy.

But I really do believe there is something to the models doing this same thing in this type of pattern. We are now finally heading towards a consolidated big low near us.

This map....heck wow. One more run of trends and it'll be like a viking holiday around here.

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Models appear to be trying to focus on convection that develops from a weak piece of energy that races ewd well off the sern US coast away from main baroclinic zone which is much closer to the e coast...I find it hard to believe and will expect models to make some adjustment to account for the stg baroclinic bndry closer to the coast...I would expect a weak wave well offshore but main focus to take place much closer to this baroclinic bndry. I would expect some major adjustment to the models next few runs...we'll see.

out the box triple bunnner

:weenie: :weenie: :weenie:

mets is there any credence to think the best barcolinic zone will be much closer to the coast given what we see on WV now and with models ?

messenger...i think this latest 18z run has a LP position that matches the 5H map best.

i think the trend is done...but i'm just a bumbling weenie but we need this TO GAIN LATITUDE now just as much as back west IMO. nantucket gets smoked at hr 36....congrats gay head, nantucket.

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I'm hoping we can keep trending through 00z and 06z

Watch the RUC. It's even more serious than the 18z NAM. It's been right for the 30 hours I've been following it. Leading the charge so to speak.

DISLCAIMER COMAPARISON ONLY FOR MENTION:

If you were to go back and replay the tapes from 1/250/00 it was the RUC that blew up first. When the other models were still scratching one anothers balls on the strength the FSL site had some version of the RUC running that had it.

I think this storm is like a bowling alley. We had gutter balls right for several runs. This may be the gutter ball left but the fact that we are gradually disrupting the feedback and as a result we see more precip up north...cool.

Historic, unrecorded patterns have surprises. This may be the beginning of a major model change.

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Who is the former messenger from WWBB. Obviously a lot of you don't go back that far, but we all remembered him as messenger back then. He was less pessimistic back then than he is now...but he always has had the RUC fetish.

I remember him when he used his real name on ne.weather about a dozen or so years ago. There was a time when many of us did....before the psets.

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I remember him when he used his real name on ne.weather about a dozen or so years ago. There was a time when many of us did....before the psets.

It seems to have quieted down now which is good. I've learned to stay away from any type of role in any of these weather things because that's when the shi* show starts. Just look at the implosion of the other board. About every 5-8 years something catastrophic happens. I've already registered americanwx2 in anticpation (joking).

Will yeah I was less pessimistic back then. But I enjoyed these "non" events just as much. Models have been screwing with us for a few years, it's these inside of 72 hour deals that have been beneficial to us.

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Flakes?

Looks like about 0.25" near BOS and the 1.50" line tickles the south coast of ACK thru 51. Where's ACKwaves?

Yeah through 54 the 0.25 line runs along the north shore of MA over or slightly west of BOS encompassing almost all of RI. 0.5 from messenger on SE, and 0.75 kissing Phil.

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