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December 19th-20 Storm Thread III


Baroclinic Zone

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Its really a shame we have this convection garbage focusing a baroclinic zone offshore like that....because the actual vortmax is tracking in a terrific spot for something to blow up SE of LI and track NE....as Tip alluded to in his new thread. This is what may help focus an inverted trough though...the tendency for the pressure field to want to lower in response to the vortmax tracking in a good spot.

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Its really a shame we have this convection garbage focusing a baroclinic zone offshore like that....because the actual vortmax is tracking in a terrific spot for something to blow up SE of LI and track NE....as Tip alluded to in his new thread. This is what may help focus an inverted trough though...the tendency for the pressure field to want to lower in response to the vortmax tracking in a good spot.

You mean the atmoshere found a fluke way to make it not snow here in 2010; I don't believe it.

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Its getting so close now this is going to be devastating if it teases us back and then gives us blue balls.

If it actually started showing a big storm again it would be devastating...it it shows 2 or 3 inches and then pulls it away...big deal. That's nothing.

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Its really a shame we have this convection garbage focusing a baroclinic zone offshore like that....because the actual vortmax is tracking in a terrific spot for something to blow up SE of LI and track NE....as Tip alluded to in his new thread. This is what may help focus an inverted trough though...the tendency for the pressure field to want to lower in response to the vortmax tracking in a good spot.

Yeah but I think that garbage is just that garbage. I know it's not true feedback but it is model generated stupidity. You can see now as we get inside of the 36/42 hour mark we're getting our developed classic comma head.

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Yeah but I think that garbage is just that garbage. I know it's not true feedback but it is model generated stupidity. You can see now as we get inside of the 36/42 hour mark we're getting our developed classic comma head.

Convective robbing of baroclinic zone is a real thing though....a lot of times models do it incorrectly, but it doesn't mean its fake in nature. The models may be over playing it here, but if its still happening to some degree, then it really isn't enough to make a huge difference.

I highly doubt this is going to go 1/25/00 on us. Maybe we'll get lucky enough to pull out an inch or two though.

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Models appear to be trying to focus on convection that develops from a weak piece of energy that races ewd well off the sern US coast away from main baroclinic zone which is much closer to the e coast...I find it hard to believe and will expect models to make some adjustment to account for the stg baroclinic bndry closer to the coast...I would expect a weak wave well offshore but main focus to take place much closer to this baroclinic bndry. I would expect some major adjustment to the models next few runs...we'll see.

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