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The 'oh, who cares' 1st half of May boring ass pattern banter thread


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Take Brian's advice. Yes I believe an additional .5 will fall in spots and maybe someone gets an inch. I also said there would be a nice day. My original post said we would have to pay the piper for the incredible stretch of consecutive warm dry days at some point, you spun that out of control. I have discussed my opinion you deem it necessary to mock that, ok with me but whatever. Should be some decent showery type rains with some embedded Tstorms especially in western areas. Maybe a discrete cell or two in areas that destabilize.

As I said.....meh on rain at the big 4.

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No, what he hated were the mods/admin and weenies all bickering and the mods trolling of everyone and making fun of people, He loved the board how it used to be. Not what it has turned into with the mods and weenies

he didn't leave because people call you out :lol:

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Overall it was over modeled. Otoh, cool tor in stoughton the other day.

 

 

I don't recall many models giving over widespread for an inch from round 1. Someone posted the HPC total precip...but it was a 5 day cumulative, so including todays stuff and anything that falls tomorrow too before FROPA.

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I don't recall many models giving over widespread for an inch from round 1. Someone posted the HPC total precip...but it was a 5 day cumulative, so including todays stuff and anything that falls tomorrow too before FROPA.

Yes I believe the 5 day total will be too high. We're losing some today but fropa will tell the tale.

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Overall it was over modeled.

Probably something we will see a lot of in the convective season...some spots get 2"+ while others get two tenths. Gone is the season of large scale stratiform precipitation. The rainfall in NYC and environs was impressive though, so 3+ inch amounts weren't far away.

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I don't recall many models giving over widespread for an inch from round 1. Someone posted the HPC total precip...but it was a 5 day cumulative, so including todays stuff and anything that falls tomorrow too before FROPA.

The HPC maps posted were 7-day totals. But HPC can be a little over-zealous like they are in winter. Often their winter QPF is too widespread/robust.

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You cant blame them if they want to try to keep it more pure weather related and not like the accu-hype forums. There seems to be a decent concensus that the forum is a bit of a joke at times.

 

 

I've always said the strength of this forum for years was when we were in winter mode in New England...we often had some of the best discussion I could find on the web. I have found it still performs to its core very well but the down times have become so much worse...even within the winter season when there's no storm threats to track. We had that whole fiasco about calling the pattern change a complete failure before it ever really had a chance to play out (a week later we then got the Feb 8-9 historic blizzard). That's where we started having problems with spiking footballs before anything happened.

 

I'm not sure what has caused it to amplify like that. But regardless, its not going to go any further. We've had discussion recently amongst some of the staff in our subforum, and we generally seem to agree that enough is enough.

 

 

This isn't to say there can't be joking or what not, but when the trolling becomes the centerpiece of a thread, then its obviously gone too far and the meteorology aspect of it gets thrown on the back burner. This forum tries to create a happy medium between storm2K type over-moderation and an unmoderated free-for-all. Its not an easy medium to attain...but its what has made AMEX successful and going back to the EasternUSWX days well before that. The problem is a lot of the time it is a judgement call. People want to pretend we should be the US Court System when we dish out moderation and they cry foul or favorites, but if we went that route, we'd be storm2K and nobody wants that (well most don't anyway).

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I've always said the strength of this forum for years was when we were in winter mode in New England...we often had some of the best discussion I could find on the web. I have found it still performs to its core very well but the down times have become so much worse...even within the winter season when there's no storm threats to track. We had that whole fiasco about calling the pattern change a complete failure before it ever really had a chance to play out (a week later we then got the Feb 8-9 historic blizzard). That's where we started having problems with spiking footballs before anything happened.

I'm not sure what has caused it to amplify like that. But regardless, its not going to go any further. We've had discussion recently amongst some of the staff in our subforum, and we generally seem to agree that enough is enough.

This isn't to say there can't be joking or what not, but when the trolling becomes the centerpiece of a thread, then its obviously gone too far and the meteorology aspect of it gets thrown on the back burner. This forum tries to create a happy medium between storm2K type over-moderation and an unmoderated free-for-all. Its not an easy medium to attain...but its what has made AMEX successful and going back to the EasternUSWX days well before that. The problem is a lot of the time it is a judgement call. People want to pretend we should be the US Court System when we dish out moderation and they cry foul or favorites, but if we went that route, we'd be storm2K and nobody wants that (well most don't anyway).

Ive never had an issue with moderation and in general there's really only a couple posters that the rest of the posters try to tone down, lol. It sort of self-moderates to an extent.

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The only thing I really hate on here is the constant arguing about wx between one's back yard.  

 

Agreed...

 

"There's breaks of sun here in ORH"

"Impossible...it's overcast here near BDR!"

 

In any case...it has been a pretty murky day here on the shoreline. We've maxed out around 62 with clouds and on and off drizzle/showers most of the day. Skies brightened up a little early this morning around 9-9:30...and starting to brighten up again now ahead of what should be the last batch of rain.

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Yesterday was an incredible day - perfect in every way imaginable, aside from that it's been periods of rain, clouds and breaks in the sun with mostly pleasant temperatures.  The radar looks solid for decent totals for many and probably a widespread 0.75" to 2.00" for the 5 day total which is pretty darn close to exactly what was forecasted and exactly what many hobbiests and mets predicted. It wasn't doom and gloom, and in fact no one predicted doom and gloom so not sure why anyone would even mention that.

 

I don't know why there's so much drama about this and why anyone would want to try and spin this into a dry period. It was a typical rainy 5 days that we see all the time in May in SNE.  And yes I enjoyed yesterday and today and made it my best day ever - I went to the Sox game and very nearly witnessed a Lester perfect game, plus a friend threw a kegger with 100 fresh oysters  from the local fish market so plenty of shucking and plenty of brews.

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I really hope the mods and weenies who have caused this bickering and folks to leave can take a step back and change their ways. When I left for a week and it all was still going on with the mods and weenies..well it became apparent

 

I've .10 last nite/today and .94 for the event. perfect for lawns..Was hoping for more..but I'll take it

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Yeah, the depth of the green is pretty impressive suddenly.  Spring flourish delayed but not denied. 

the prettiest month of the year. I love that day in May, which was Friday for me, when suddenly the canopy is full, flowers everywhere and sun shining as I drive into work. I had the added fortune of some ground fog from the previous days rains so the May day for me was extra special this year. 

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Someone answered this before but I think I've been doing this incorrectly.

 

I input a set of tornado data into excel.  I input all March tornadoes from 1950-2012 and using excel I calculated the average.  Next what I wanted to do was create a Standardized Number or Standard Deviation.  What I have been doing was take the values I input and then go into formulas and use the STDEVA function...this gave me a number then what I did was take a yearly number and subtract from the STDEVA number.  However, when doing this, some of the results came out looking fishy.  

 

I went back and looked at more formulas and see one that says STANDARDIZE...is this what I actually want to use instead of STDEVA?  When I try to use STANDARDIZE though it doesn't work the way it does for STDEVA.

 

For example, my data goes from Column B, Row 2 to Column B, Row 64...so in STDEVA I just do B2:B64 and get a STDEVA number.  However, for STANDARDIZED it asks me for "x" then mean, then STandardized but that's what I want?

 

Really hope someone can help...really frustrated right now :/

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Someone answered this before but I think I've been doing this incorrectly.

 

I input a set of tornado data into excel.  I input all March tornadoes from 1950-2012 and using excel I calculated the average.  Next what I wanted to do was create a Standardized Number or Standard Deviation.  What I have been doing was take the values I input and then go into formulas and use the STDEVA function...this gave me a number then what I did was take a yearly number and subtract from the STDEVA number.  However, when doing this, some of the results came out looking fishy.  

 

I went back and looked at more formulas and see one that says STANDARDIZE...is this what I actually want to use instead of STDEVA?  When I try to use STANDARDIZE though it doesn't work the way it does for STDEVA.

 

For example, my data goes from Column B, Row 2 to Column B, Row 64...so in STDEVA I just do B2:B64 and get a STDEVA number.  However, for STANDARDIZED it asks me for "x" then mean, then STandardized but that's what I want?

 

Really hope someone can help...really frustrated right now :/

EDIT: I think I see what you're trying to do - you're trying to see how out of normal each individual year is based on the mean and stdev.

 

I think you want to use the standardize function like you suspect. Basically you do =STANDARDIZE(Individual Year data, Sample Mean, Sample StDev) and it'll print out your standardized value for how far from the mean that year was.

 

This article will probably help http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/excel-help/standardize-function-HP010342919.aspx

 

If you wanted to do the standardize function manually like you first attempted to do - you should go (year value - mean) / stdev

 

Also if you're just using #s you should probably just use =STDEV(X#:X#) since STDEVA is for text or numerical values.

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Why not just do =STDEV(set of #s you want the stdev of)

 

STDEVA function includes numbers or text data (such as true/false)  Does your dataset use true/false to report when/if tornadoes occur?

 

No the data set does not.

 

In excel though the only STDEV functions are STDEV.P STDEV.S, STDEVA and STDEVPA.

 

So should I use STDEV.P since it deal with the population of the data?

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No the data set does not.

 

In excel though the only STDEV functions are STDEV.P STDEV.S, STDEVA and STDEVPA.

 

So should I use STDEV.P since it deal with the population of the data?

Check your PM - I re-read what you're trying to do and don't want to clog up this thread. Let me know if my suggestions work for what you're trying to do. And yes I think STDEV.P is the right one to use since your data is the whole population of data.

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