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April 17-18 Heavy Rain Event


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Hydrologic outlook for the LOT cwa.

 

 

HYDROLOGIC OUTLOOKILC007-031-037-043-053-063-075-089-091-093-097-099-103-105-111-141-197-201-INC007-073-089-111-127-162230-HYDROLOGIC OUTLOOKNATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE CHICAGO IL517 AM CDT TUE APR 16 2013 /617 AM EDT TUE APR 16 2013/...HEAVY RAINFALL POSSIBLE WEDNESDAY THROUGH THURSDAY...STRONG LOW PRESSURE WILL SLIDE NORTHEAST FROM THE SOUTHERN PLAINSTOWARDS THE LOCAL AREA WEDNESDAY INTO THURSDAY. SOME UNCERTAINTYREMAINS AS TO THE PRECISE PATH THAT THE LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM WILLTAKE...WHICH WILL HAVE A LARGE IMPLICATION ON WHAT PARTS OF THEAREA WILL RECEIVE THE HIGHEST RAINFALL TOTALS. CONFIDENCE HASSTEADILY INCREASED IN A HEAVY PRECIPITATION EVENT IN THISTIMEFRAME. THE CURRENT RAINFALL POTENTIAL IS FOR 2 TO 4 INCHES OFRAIN WEDNESDAY THROUGH THURSDAY. IF THIS WERE TO OCCUR...IT COULDPROLONG THE CURRENT FLOODING CONDITIONS AND SEND ADDITIONAL AREARIVERS AND STREAMS THAT ARE NEAR BANKFULL INTO FLOOD. A FEW OF THESTRONGER THUNDERSTORMS MAY MOVE SLOWLY OVER THE LOCALAREA...LEADING TO ISOLATED RAINFALL TOTALS EXCEEDING 4 INCHES.THIS COULD FURTHER EXACERBATE FLOODING CONCERNS. FLASH FLOODINGIS ALSO A CONCERN IN ADDITION TO THE RIVER AND STREAM FLOODPOTENTIAL.$$BEACHLER

 

NAM backed off on the 5-6" amounts.

 

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Don't believe this map Skilling showed. More so for entertainment purposes. Otherwise Cyclone better get a boat built today or rent one!

 

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1.10" at LAF today. I guess the thread is for tomorrow and Thursday, but this was somewhat unexpected here today...and will add to the already swollen Wabash River. And LAF/and western Indiana probably has the best chance in the state of racking up some bigger totals when all is said and done. So, I'm posting here. :D

 

Rainfall amounts at LAF this week...

Monday: 0.07"

Tuesday: 1.10"

 

No mention of a Flood Watch by IND, but the IWX AFD says they'll monitor the situation and may issue one if need be.

 

EDIT: IND getting it good today as well, even more than LAF. 1.61" on the day through 5:00pm. Still raining there, with more lined up to the west back in IL. Flood Advisory up for Marion and the surrounding counties.

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LOT just pulled the trigger.

 

431 PM CDT TUE APR 16 2013 /531 PM EDT TUE APR 16 2013/...FLOOD WATCH IN EFFECT FROM WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON THROUGH FRIDAYMORNING...THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN CHICAGO HAS ISSUED A* FLOOD WATCH FOR PORTIONS OF ILLINOIS AND INDIANA...INCLUDING  THE FOLLOWING AREAS...IN ILLINOIS...BOONE...COOK...DE KALB...  DUPAGE...FORD...GRUNDY...IROQUOIS...KANE...KANKAKEE...  KENDALL...LA SALLE...LAKE IL...LEE...LIVINGSTON...MCHENRY...  OGLE...WILL AND WINNEBAGO. IN INDIANA...BENTON...JASPER...LAKE  IN...NEWTON AND PORTER.* FROM WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON THROUGH FRIDAY MORNING.* AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF HEAVY RAINFALL FROM THUNDERSTORMS WILL  PRODUCE WIDESPREAD STORM TOTAL RAINFALL AMOUNTS APPROACHING 4  INCHES OVER NORTHERN ILLINOIS AND NORTHWESTERN INDIANA. LOCALLY  HIGHER AMOUNTS ARE POSSIBLE IN AREAS WHERE REPEATED TRAINING OF  STORMS MAY OCCUR.* AREA STREAMS AND RIVERS THAT ARE CURRENTLY NEAR OR AT FLOOD  STAGE WILL LIKELY RISE TO MODERATE OR MAJOR FLOOD STAGE. HEAVY  RAINFALL WILL LIKELY LEAD TO FLOODING OF LOW LYING URBAN AREAS.  ALSO...RAINFALL RATES AND AMOUNTS MAY EXCEED THE CAPACITY OF  STORM DRAINS...DRAINAGE PONDS AND DRAINAGE DITCHES ALONG  ROADWAYS...LEADING TO FLOODING IN SUBURBAN AREAS AS WELL AS  URBAN AREAS.
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0z nam backing off max amounts

 

 

and about 1/2 of what it was for an N IL

 

That's encouraging. 

 

RPM still cranking out the high amounts - although not as bad as the noon run.

 

 

Anyone have some EURO numbers?

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That's encouraging. 

 

RPM still cranking out the high amounts - all thought not as bad as the noon run.

 

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Anyone have some EURO numbers?

 

I think that's a little further north and west with the main axis than the last run.  Would mean tons of problems in NW Illinois and S Wisconsin in particular, but NE Illinois as well.

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I think that's a little further north and west with the main axis than the last run.  Would mean tons of problems in NW Illinois and S Wisconsin in particular, but NE Illinois as well.

 

Rock River watershed would be highly impacted. Already major flooding southeast of Madison. Rock River then runs down by Cyclone...

 

New NAM hires:

 

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The NAM and GFS are very different with QPF placement over the next two days.  The NAM focuses the precip from eastern Iowa through Wisconsin, while the GFS starts the heavy stuff to the south and east and keeps it there.  Also, the GFS has heavy precip(some snow) from Nebraska through Minnesota while the NAM has much less there.  I wonder if this is just the NAM being garbage or perhaps the GFS is showing convective feedback.  I know models can struggle with convective situations.

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The NAM and GFS are very different with QPF placement over the next two days.  The NAM focuses the precip from eastern Iowa through Wisconsin, while the GFS starts the heavy stuff to the south and east and keeps it there.  Also, the GFS has heavy precip(some snow) from Nebraska through Minnesota while the NAM has much less there.  I wonder if this is just the NAM being garbage or perhaps the GFS is showing convective feedback.  I know models can struggle with convective situations.

 

 

Yeah the way I figure it the convection will throw all kinds of curve balls at the models so the placement of the heaviest precip will probably depend on how the convective complexes evolve.  There will definitely be a zone of very heavy rainfall, but where that sets up will be highly dependent on what the convection does.

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The NAM and GFS are very different with QPF placement over the next two days.  The NAM focuses the precip from eastern Iowa through Wisconsin, while the GFS starts the heavy stuff to the south and east and keeps it there.  Also, the GFS has heavy precip(some snow) from Nebraska through Minnesota while the NAM has much less there.  I wonder if this is just the NAM being garbage or perhaps the GFS is showing convective feedback.  I know models can struggle with convective situations.

 

It will come down to warm front placement and whether or not areas see training convection. Probably a compromise between the GFS and NAM regarding placement is a good guessimate to go by for now.

 

I agree with what Cyclone just typed above^

 

Edit: MKX did a really nice write up on the flooding potential.

 

http://www.crh.noaa.gov/news/display_cmsstory.php?wfo=mkx&storyid=94025&source=0

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Yeah the way I figure it the convection will throw all kinds of curve balls at the models so the placement of the heaviest precip will probably depend on how the convective complexes evolve. There will definitely be a zone of very heavy rainfall, but where that sets up will be highly dependent on what the convection does.

Not only placement but amounts. I would not be surprised to see some narrow bands of 5"+

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Not only placement but amounts. I would not be surprised to see some narrow bands of 5"+

 

Yeah, 5"+ seems like a lock for wherever the corridor ends up lining up.  The new RGEM looks insane with amounts for this area.  Haven't seen the amounts yet, but just by looping the precip it looks very heavy for the QCA.

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IN could also end up seeing some impressive multi-day totals:

 

RECORD EVENT REPORT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE INDIANAPOLIS IN
0131 AM EDT WED APR 17 2013

...RECORD DAILY MAXIMUM RAINFALL SET AT INDIANAPOLIS INDIANA...

A RECORD RAINFALL OF 2.08 INCHES WAS SET AT INDIANAPOLIS
YESTERDAY. THIS BREAKS THE OLD RECORD OF 1.53 SET IN 1930.

 

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