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2nd half of April, general forecast ideas and banter

Typhoon Tip

By Typhoon Tip,
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dendrite

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We should be given lower severe criteria like they do for winter storm warnings south of us. My mom will often tell me a storm was "bad" when in reality it's about 15mins of rain that adds up to 0.75", some CG lightning, and maybe a 35kt gust. To make it more fair for us, our criteria should be 40kt, any hail, or any swirling vortices...the ones sucking up trash in plaza parking lots qualify too.

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Calling one of the most fair and balanced posters an a-hole is over the top man. There was no need to get too personal over a silly argument, C'mon John.

 

I don't see his posting pattern as being all that fair and balanced.  He's very polite in the way he goes about doing it, but it hides an agenda that is heavily sloped toward an obsession for winter fair.  Late last night he kept posting dead panned remarks about how wrong I was, and that is rude, instead of engaging in intellectualism.  I'm only human; he pissed me off.  Sorry.  

 

Fact of the matter is, I touched a nerve when I suggested there's something psychological about why he does that, because it's true.

 

One can say he/she is a "hard core convection fan", but then saying that because we don't get that around here, summers are useless -- that is all delusional.  Firstly, it is simply not true that we don't get hard core events here.  We do get them -- just not with the same frequency.  But we get them enough to be tuned in.  A buddy of mine just had to pretty much give his last car away because it was pock-dented by a hail damage.  We've had Monson, Great Barrington, MCS, derecho, ...the list goes not. We are not dead to these events.  

 

One of my most coveted memories of convection took place in SNE, not in my place of origin in the Midwest.  I have told the story a few times, but it was that day the Mohawk Trail and the rest of the Rt 2 corridor had the 70mph wind damage with large hail from a macroburst convective sequence that erupted in a warm sector. 

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What in the Sam hell? Look at all the disasters our country is currently facing and it comes to this?

 

 

Good point! 

 

That West, Texas fertilizer plant explosion just is unthinkable after last Monday.  It was probably an accident -- at least hope -- but to have anything like that on the heels of everything that's transpired this week is abject.  

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I don't see his posting pattern as being all that fair and balanced.  He's very polite in the way he goes about doing it, but it hides an agenda that is heavily sloped toward an obsession for winter fair.  Late last night he kept posting dead panned remarks about how wrong I was, and that is rude, instead of engaging in intellectualism.  I'm only human; he pissed me off.  Sorry.  

 

Fact of the matter is, I touched a nerve when I suggested there's something psychological about why he does that, because it's true.

 

One can say he/she is a "hard core convection fan", but then saying that because we don't get that around here, summers are useless -- that is all delusional.  Firstly, it is simply not true that we don't get hard core events here.  We do get them -- just not with the same frequency.  But we get them enough be tuned in.  A buddy of mine just had to pretty much give his last car away because it was pock-dented by a hail damage.  We've had Monson, Great Barrington, MCS, derecho, ...the list goes not. We are not dead to these events.  

 

One of my most coveted memories of convection took place in SNE, not in my place of origin in the Midwest.  I have told the story a few times, but it was that day the Mohawk Trail and the rest of the Rt 2 corridor had the 70mph wind damage with large hail from a macroburst convective sequence that erupted in a warm sector. 

 

 

First off: I never said "summer was useless". I was stating why I generally don't get excited for convection around here.

 

Second: I posted that we are in a poor spot for hardcore convection. You told me I was wrong and that the data supported you. I posted data to the contrary and said you were wrong. So its okay for you to tell me I am wrong but not okay if I say it back? Seems like a double standard to me.

 

Third: You making strange and purely speculative remarks about the psychology behind one's posting about severe weather statistics can be viewed as quite offensive in its own right.

 

 

But I digress and will not engage any further in this convo.

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Just like some of you laugh at our severe wx just remember that there are people out there who laugh at our winters. If we're going to compare our severe wx to another region we should do the same for winter...let's see our winters compared to that of the Rockies...LOL we suck

For normally habital elevations we do fine with snow. East of the Rockies, we don't do so relatively well with severe. We have some fun days here and there, but they aren't frequent. We don't get the discrete supercells like they do to our SW (obviously). I don't even think Will and John disagree with the facts per se. They just have different subjective feelings about them. Will has been in TX and it is understandable that he looks at our severe season the way he does. In fact I'd guess most look at our severe the way he does. John is just half glass full with the convection that we do get. I find most storms interesting as well, even if it's just heavy rain and lightning.
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For normally habital elevations we do fine with snow. East of the Rockies, we don't do so relatively well with severe. We have some fun days here and there, but they aren't frequent. We don't get the discrete supercells like they do to our SW (obviously). I don't even think Will and John disagree with the facts per se. They just have different subjective feelings about them. Will has been in TX and it is understandable that he looks at our severe season the way he does. In fact I'd guess most look at our severe the way he does. John is just half glass full with the convection that we do get. I find most storms interesting as well, even if it's just heavy rain and lightning.

 

That post was just a terrible troll attempt post :lol:  tried typing it quick while I'm at work.  

 

About supercells though, while we certainly don't get a great deal of discrete the past several years we've had a quite a bit of supercells it seems, even if they aren't tornadic.  It would be really cool to come up with statistics for this sort of thing and see what the data would show.

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First off: I never said "summer was useless". I was stating why I generally don't get excited for convection around here.

 

Second: I posted that we are in a poor spot for hardcore convection. You told me I was wrong and that the data supported you. I posted data to the contrary and said you were wrong. So its okay for you to tell me I am wrong but not okay if I say it back? Seems like a double standard to me.

 

Third: You making strange and purely speculative remarks about the psychology behind one's posting about severe weather statistics can be viewed as quite offensive in its own right.

 

 

But I digress and will not engage any further in this convo.

 

 

Don't engage - fine.   But the psychology stuff comes out because one seek's an explanation as to why you jump all over non-Mets that demonstrate mere enthusiasm for convection in the summer.  That's what started this thing. 

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Don't engage - fine.   But the psychology stuff comes out because one seek's an explanation as to why you jump all over non-Mets that demonstrate mere enthusiasm for convection in the summer.  That's what started this thing. 

 

 

We'll just agree to disagree and move on.

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Group hug?

 

 

Ah haha --  tru dhat.    I actually like Will -- though I'm pretty sure he hates me at the moment.    

 

I think you actually hit the nail on the head there with that, though.     I don't think thunderstorms suck around SNE.  Last year, in March, we had a supercell (odd time of the year for that) rip down Rt 2 and I had inch diameter hail and pulsing CG at 10PM one night.  I don't need EF4 damage to be intrigued by convection -- maybe others do. I dunno. 

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I tell you what, if certain individuals can acknowledge that there is severe weather that is interesting in SNE, and also, stop pouncing on the heals of anyone that suggests otherwise, we'll do just fine.

Lol.

"Severe" in SNE is usually isolated, over exxagerated, unexciting compared to winter time.

Springfield is a rarity. Worcester is a rarity. I can count the amount of times I have seen pea sized hail on one hand.

Oh a macroburst/microburst put down a bunch of trees in the middle of nowhere a couple times a summer? Really exciting times to look forward to.

I do get excited about threats. That's because I like tracking, seeing storms. That's separate from actually expecting and looking forward to "severe season" when compared to winter.

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