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Lots of sun and humidity so far hopefully something pops. Jamie are u serious lol..frozen. Wild.

Check out UNV: 

 

FRI 12Z 24-MAY 9.4 4.6 1012 90 99 0.04 560 550

FRI 18Z 24-MAY 6.2 -0.8 1016 86 99 0.10 558 545

SAT 00Z 25-MAY 3.0 -1.2 1018 98 100 0.24 558 544

SAT 06Z 25-MAY 4.9 -0.3 1017 94 99 0.30 560 546

 

Bradford: 

 

FRI 12Z 24-MAY 4.6 0.0 1015 96 99 0.11 559 546

FRI 18Z 24-MAY 2.1 -2.8 1019 97 100 0.21 559 543

SAT 00Z 25-MAY 3.3 -1.0 1020 96 93 0.20 561 544

SAT 06Z 25-MAY 3.2 0.2 1020 91 6 0.02 561 545

 

That ain't right. Disgusting. That's like early Nov crap. 

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Lots of sun and humidity so far hopefully something pops. Jamie are u serious lol..frozen. Wild.

Today might be one of those days where the severe parameters look great but being too far from either the warm front/cold front/low we don't have a trigger to set some good storms off... MOS for both GFS and NAM have temperatures on Friday afternoon in the low to mid 60s for a number of us... indeed crazy

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WTF kind of story is this?

 

PA tornadoes "different animal" from what happened in Oklahoma

 

“The tornadoes we get here are much different animals for a variety of reasons,” said Greg DoVoir, senior forecaster with the National Weather Service in State College.

 

DeVoir said the central and southern plains areas provide “ideal ingredients” for extreme storms. When those ingredients – flat terrain, a dry line from the west, rich Gulf of Mexico moisture and winds that change directions – come together that “produces some incredible instability that is able to produce some very destructive tornadoes.”

 

“We don’t have the extremes that those areas have,” DeVoir said. We have some of the conditions in varying degrees. If we didn’t, we also would not see thunderstorms, hail or small tornadoes.

 

In Pennsylvania, DeVoir said the “benchmark” is May 31, 1985, when there were 18 tornadoes in the central part of the state – eight of them were the strongest at F4 or F5.

 

Um, the story says eight were F4 or F5 yet "we can't get them" ...

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  URGENT - IMMEDIATE BROADCAST REQUESTED
   SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WATCH NUMBER 211
   NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
   230 PM EDT WED MAY 22 2013
  
   THE NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER HAS ISSUED A
  
   * SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WATCH FOR PORTIONS OF
     EASTERN KENTUCKY
     WESTERN MARYLAND
     EASTERN OHIO
     WESTERN AND CENTRAL PENNSYLVANIA
     SOUTHWESTERN VIRGINIA
     WEST VIRGINIA
  
   * EFFECTIVE THIS WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON AND EVENING FROM 230 PM
     UNTIL 1000 PM EDT.
  
   * PRIMARY THREATS INCLUDE...
     SEVERAL DAMAGING WIND GUSTS TO 70 MPH LIKELY
     SEVERAL LARGE HAIL EVENTS TO 1.5 INCHES IN DIAMETER POSSIBLE
  
   THE SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WATCH AREA IS APPROXIMATELY ALONG AND 70
   STATUTE MILES EAST AND WEST OF A LINE FROM 20 MILES NORTHWEST OF
   BRADFORD PENNSYLVANIA TO 60 MILES EAST SOUTHEAST OF JACKSON
   KENTUCKY.  FOR A COMPLETE DEPICTION OF THE WATCH SEE THE
   ASSOCIATED WATCH OUTLINE UPDATE (WOUS64 KWNS WOU1).
  
   PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...
  
   REMEMBER...A SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WATCH MEANS CONDITIONS ARE
   FAVORABLE FOR SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS IN AND CLOSE TO THE WATCH
   AREA. PERSONS IN THESE AREAS SHOULD BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR
   THREATENING WEATHER CONDITIONS AND LISTEN FOR LATER STATEMENTS
   AND POSSIBLE WARNINGS. SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS CAN AND OCCASIONALLY
   DO PRODUCE TORNADOES.
  
   &&
  
   OTHER WATCH INFORMATION...CONTINUE...WW 210...
  
   DISCUSSION...AS SUB-CLOUD LAPSE RATES CONTINUE TO STEEPEN LATE THIS
   AFTERNOON...THERMODYNAMIC PROFILES WILL BECOME INCREASINGLY
   FAVORABLE FOR STRENGTHENING SURFACE COLD POOLS WITH THUNDERSTORMS
   NOW DEVELOPING ALONG AND WEST OF THE APPALACHIANS.  AS THESE BEGIN
   TO CONSOLIDATE AND SUPPORT UPSCALE CONVECTIVE GROWTH...A BELT OF
   30-40 KT SOUTH SOUTHWESTERLY LOWER/MID TROPOSPHERIC FLOW NOSING
   THROUGH THE UPPER OHIO VALLEY TOWARD THE LOWER GREAT LAKES MAY
   ENHANCE STORM MOTION AND THE RISK FOR POTENTIALLY DAMAGING WIND
   GUSTS.
  
   AVIATION...A FEW SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS WITH HAIL SURFACE AND ALOFT
   TO 1.5 INCHES. EXTREME TURBULENCE AND SURFACE WIND GUSTS TO 60
   KNOTS. A FEW CUMULONIMBI WITH MAXIMUM TOPS TO 500. MEAN STORM
   MOTION VECTOR 24035.
  
  
   ...KERR
 

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WTF kind of story is this?

 

 

Um, the story says eight were F4 or F5 yet "we can't get them" ...

i saw that. and just because they don't happen as often in PA doesn't mean we can't get them. it just takes more effort to get them compared to most. and the terrain doesn't help for northeast PA, especially the w-b/scr area as well as in the poconos, but they can get them. I had childhood friends get picked up in the harvey's lake tornado in the 80's when their parents tried to drive away. there was the Crestwood event in December of 2007. but I know southeast PA happens to get some nasty ones, as well as in the northern Tier of PA and western PA, especially when they get lake-breeze help off of Lake Erie.

but the byline of the story should have been "we don't get them as often as tornado alley", not "we can't get them".

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so how long until we fill in the central PA with a watch as well, like say i-81 west to us220? because the storms from the west will eventually turn into gusty cells for central pa, and those cells may lead to a bit of re-development for northeast PA, depending on progress.

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i saw that. and just because they don't happen as often in PA doesn't mean we can't get them. it just takes more effort to get them compared to most. and the terrain doesn't help for northeast PA, especially the w-b/scr area as well as in the poconos, but they can get them. I had childhood friends get picked up in the harvey's lake tornado in the 80's when their parents tried to drive away. there was the Crestwood event in December of 2007. but I know southeast PA happens to get some nasty ones, as well as in the northern Tier of PA and western PA, especially when they get lake-breeze help off of Lake Erie.

but the byline of the story should have been "we don't get them as often as tornado alley", not "we can't get them".

 

There was that F5 on May 31, 1985

that started in Niles Ohio... but it went into  Wheatland Pennsylvania... There have been a few F4's as well... she should have done her research

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so how long until we fill in the central PA with a watch as well, like say i-81 west to us220? because the storms from the west will eventually turn into gusty cells for central pa, and those cells may lead to a bit of re-development for northeast PA, depending on progress.

Im expecting at least a mesoscale discussion to come out stating what you said in your next post after this one, how they will be waiting to see how this develops in the west before issuing any watches east of the current one

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Im expecting at least a mesoscale discussion to come out stating what you said in your next post after this one, how they will be waiting to see how this develops in the west before issuing any watches east of the current one

they just did one for western NY about waiting to see what comes in off of Lake Ontario and Lake Erie from southern Ontario. and in southern Ontario, they just issued a watch from YXU/YVV (London/Wiarton) to YBN/XBI/YHM (Barrie/Hamilton) (probably later to include Niagara region and the Toronto area.

 

so yea, it's a matter of time before they decide how to fill the gaps in.

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I hate it when reporters do this it leads to a false sense of security in the Northeast....It's so hard to teach weather awareness in the first place ...this kind of nonsense makes it that much harder

Agreed. Grew up in Texas, lived through two tornadic direct hits. People here don't a) understand true severe weather (they freak out over too small of events, thus don't get amped up enough for true threats) and B) have no idea what to do to prepare.

 

I was talking to a coworker yesterday about what to do if a tornado hit and he said they'd open their windows and go lean against their house OUTSIDE so it wouldn't fall on them. He still doesn't believe me you should get to the centermost, bottom-level floor (basement if you have it) without any windows and if you have time get pillows or even a mattress on top of you.

 

We have a psuedo safe room under our stairs (no basement for us) that has an mattress and some water and food just in case a tornado hits. People think I'm crazy for it here.

 

P.S. Who is that in your avatar?!

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Cluster of storms has high winds with it just lost power 2 times within a minute. had gusts almost to 60. heads up state college and altoona.

We got it here in Port Matilda, fire sirens going, and I saw a tree go down in the woods at the end of my yard. My poor neighbor across the street, I called her to see if anyone could come close her window, maybe one of us here had a key. She didn't. Her and her partner had their window wide open on the second floor, squarely facing the wind. They must have a helluva mess to deal with. 

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We got it here in Port Matilda, fire sirens going, and I saw a tree go down in the woods at the end of my yard. My poor neighbor across the street, I called her to see if anyone could come close her window, maybe one of us here had a key. She didn't. Her and her partner had their window wide open on the second floor, squarely facing the wind. They must have a helluva mess to deal with. 

 

It was weird. There was no wind at all then had a gust to about 40. Then for about a minute had sustained winds about 45 and gusted probably about 60. Not much thunder. That's a shame about your neighbor's house. Hopefully not to many things got blown over inside. Our neighbor's trampoline was obliterated. Smashed into a fence.

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Severe warning for Williamsport mentions 80mph winds:

SEVERE WEATHER STATEMENTNATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE STATE COLLEGE PA700 PM EDT WED MAY 22 2013PAC023-027-035-081-105-117-222330-/O.CON.KCTP.SV.W.0036.000000T0000Z-130522T2330Z/CAMERON PA-POTTER PA-TIOGA PA-CENTRE PA-LYCOMING PA-CLINTON PA-700 PM EDT WED MAY 22 2013...A SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 730 PM EDTFOR CLINTON...LYCOMING...CENTRE...TIOGA...POTTER AND CAMERONCOUNTIES...AT 653 PM EDT...NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DOPPLER RADAR CONTINUED TOINDICATE A LINE OF SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS CAPABLE OF PRODUCINGDESTRUCTIVE WINDS IN EXCESS OF 80 MPH. WIDESPREAD WIND DAMAGE ISOCCURRING ALL ALONG THE LINE...WHICH NOW EXTENDS FROM CAMERON TORENOVO TO BEECH CREEK TO LAMAR...MOVING NORTHEAST AT 55 MPH.LOCATIONS IN THE WARNING INCLUDE...  LOCK HAVEN AND JERSEY SHORE...  WHARTON AND AUSTIN...  SLATE RUN AND CARROLL...  WATERVILLE AND LITTLE PINE STATE PARK...  CHERRY SPRINGS STATE PARK AND SALLADASBURG...  BUTTONWOOD AND GARDEN VIEW...  TROUT RUN AND GALETON...OTHER LOCATIONS IN THE WARNING INCLUDE LITTLE LEAGUE WORLD SERIESCOMPLEX...SKI DENTON SKI AREA...SKI SAWMILL SKI AREA AND LOCK HAVENUNIVERSITY.THIS WILL IMPACT THE FOLLOWING CENTRAL PENNSYLVANIA INTERSTATES...I-80 BETWEEN MILE MARKERS 163 AND 191...I-180 BETWEEN MILE MARKERS 16AND 29.THIS WILL ALSO IMPACT THE FOLLOWING MAJOR ROADS...ROUTE 6...ROUTE15...ROUTE 220...STATE ROAD 14...STATE ROAD 120.
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first warning for the nepa area...

BULLETIN - EAS ACTIVATION REQUESTED 
SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING 
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE BINGHAMTON NY 
827 PM EDT WED MAY 22 2013 

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN BINGHAMTON HAS ISSUED A 

* SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING FOR... 
EASTERN BRADFORD COUNTY IN NORTHEAST PENNSYLVANIA... 
WESTERN LUZERNE COUNTY IN NORTHEAST PENNSYLVANIA... 
WESTERN SUSQUEHANNA COUNTY IN NORTHEAST PENNSYLVANIA... 
WYOMING COUNTY IN NORTHEAST PENNSYLVANIA... 

* UNTIL 930 PM EDT. 

* AT 823 PM EDT...NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DOPPLER RADAR INDICATED A 
LINE OF SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS CAPABLE OF PRODUCING DAMAGING WINDS IN 
EXCESS OF 60 MPH. THESE STORMS WERE LOCATED ALONG A LINE EXTENDING 
FROM WINDHAM TO 8 MILES WEST OF LOVELTON TO 14 MILES NORTHWEST OF 
HUNTINGTON MILLS TO 25 MILES WEST OF EAST BERWICK...AND MOVING 
NORTHEAST AT 25 MPH. 

* SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS WILL BE NEAR... 
HERRICK BY 832 PM EDT... 
SUGAR RUN AND CAMPTOWN BY 834 PM EDT... 
WARREN CENTER...SPRING HILL...LE RAYSVILLE AND BRUSHVILLE BY 840 PM 
EDT... 
LACEYVILLE AND LITTLE MEADOWS BY 844 PM EDT... 
LOVELTON AND RUSHVILLE BY 846 PM EDT... 
FORKSTON BY 854 PM EDT... 

WHEN YOU CAN DO SO SAFELY...PLEASE REPORT HAIL...OR DAMAGING WINDS TO 
THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE BY CALLING TOLL FREE AT 
1-888-603-1402...OR BY EMAIL AT [email protected]. 

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS... 
 

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