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2013 GLOV Severe Weather Discussion


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Anyone object to using this thread as sort of a severe catch-all? The bigger threats would still have separate threads but minor stuff like today could go here.

 

Haha, I changed the thread title (and sub-title) tonight to reflect exactly those thoughts. Glad we're on the same page. :D

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Wouldn't be surprised at all to see a few brief tornadoes over central/eastern IL and parts of IN tomorrow afternoon/evening.  Instability is very low, but it won't take much to kick off some low-topped convection.  With strong vorticity in the area anything that fires could put down a funnel cloud and perhaps a weak/brief tornado.  Surprised SPC has essentially nothing for this area.  Maybe that will change on the new day1.

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Tornadoes=Rain. All this Sun in May is wonderful but it's gonna lead to probably a crushing drought by mid Summer

 

That stupid cutoff has put 14+ day kibosh on all prospects of interesting weather.  Looks like another suppressing cold shot is on the way.  This really is a dull ****ty pattern.

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We're a lock to make it past mid-May without anything decent. That leaves on average about a month left in "chase season".

 

Time is ticking.

 

Yeah a slow March and April wasn't really too big of a deal, but now that we're getting deeper into May it's starting to become a concern.  May 22nd it'll be 2 years since my last tornado.  Hopefully we have an active late May and June.

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We're a lock to make it past mid-May without anything decent. That leaves on average about a month left in "chase season".

 

Time is ticking.

Oh yea time is ticking, but I just can't see there being no activity through June.  The time is really ticking away on chances for the Southern Plains though, at least imo. 

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Oh yea time is ticking, but I just can't see there being no activity through June.  The time is really ticking away on chances for the Southern Plains though, at least imo. 

 

Yeah I agree, the Northern Plains extending into the GLOV there is still plenty of time. Hell historically June is the best month for tornadoes in Michigan. If I were Southern Plains focused I would be worried but thankfully I am not.

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Slight risk out for parts of IN/IL for day 3.

 

   

   DAY 3 CONVECTIVE OUTLOOK 
   NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
   0229 AM CDT TUE MAY 07 2013
  
   VALID 091200Z - 101200Z
  
   ...THERE IS A SLGT RISK OF SVR TSTMS PORTIONS LOWER MI TO ERN MO...
  
   ...THERE IS A SLGT RISK OF SVR TSTMS PORTIONS OK AND CENTRAL/NRN
   TX...
  
   ...SYNOPSIS...
   SPLIT-FLOW PATTERN FCST TO CONTINUE IN MID-UPPER LEVELS.
   WELL-DEFINED CYCLONE NOW OVER SERN CONUS SHOULD WEAKEN AND EJECT
   NEWD OVER MID-ATLC REGION THROUGH DAY-2.  AS HEIGHTS FALL ACROSS ERN
   CANADA...THIS SYSTEM SHOULD DEAMPLIFY FURTHER DAY-3...MOVING NEWD
   ACROSS COASTAL MID-ATLC AND NEW ENGLAND...CONTRIBUTING TO GEN
   THUNDER POTENTIAL OVER PORTIONS OF THOSE REGIONS.  MID-UPPER LEVEL
   CYCLONE NOW CENTERED OVER CENTRAL CA COASTAL AREAS SHOULD MOVE EWD
   ACROSS 4-CORNERS REGION THROUGH DAY-2...AND PROGS ARE REASONABLY
   CONSISTENT WITH THAT MUCH OF ITS EVOLUTION.
  
   HOWEVER...RIGHT AROUND START OF DAY-3...09/12Z...STRONG DIFFERENCES
   APPEAR IN OPERATIONAL AND SREF GUIDANCE REGARDING THIS SYSTEM AND
   ITS INTERACTION WITH UPSTREAM SHORTWAVE TROUGH OVER CA.  WEAKENING
   IS EXPECTED EITHER WAY.  HOWEVER...WHETHER OR NOT THIS PERTURBATION
   CONTINUES MOVING EWD OVER CENTRAL PLAINS...AS PROGGED BY
   NAM/ECMWF...OR RETROGRADES BACK INTO PERIPHERAL VORTICITY FIELD OF
   CA TROUGH AS FCST BY SPECTRAL AND MOST SREF MEMBERS...WILL DEPEND ON
   AMPLITUDE OF LATTER PERTURBATION.  DESPITE THESE DIFFERENCES...BASIC
   PATTERN OF POSITIVELY TILTED TROUGHING FROM CENTRAL PLAINS TO CA IS
   CONSISTENT...AS IS PRESENCE OF ENHANCED MID-UPPER LEVEL FLOW ACROSS
   NRN MEX.  NRN RIM OF SUBTROPICAL JET SHOULD LIE OVER CENTRAL/S TX BY
   10/00Z.
  
   SMALL/CUT-OFF/MID-UPPER LEVEL CYCLONE NOW OVER SD IS EXPECTED TO
   WEAKEN AND SHIFT EWD ACROSS UPPER MS VALLEY AND LOWER MI AS
   OPEN-WAVE TROUGH.  ASSOCIATED SFC LOW SHOULD FORM ALONG NERN SEGMENT
   OF FRONTAL ZONE EARLY IN PERIOD...OVER MO/IA...THEN MOVE ACROSS IL
   TOWARD SRN LOWER MI THROUGH REMAINDER PERIOD.  TRAILING COLD FRONT
   SHOULD MOVE SEWD TO SERN KS...WRN OK AND ERN NM BY 10/00Z.  THIS
   BOUNDARY SHOULD INTERSECT DRYLINE OVER W-CENTRAL/SWRN OK OR ADJACENT
   NW TX...WITH DRYLINE SSWWD ACROSS W-CENTRAL TX TO COAHUILA.
  
   ...SRN PLAINS TO UPPER GREAT LAKES/OH VALLEY...
   BROAD SWATH FROM SW TX TO OH VALLEY REGION WILL MOISTEN SUFFICIENTLY
   BY THIS TIME TO SUPPORT DIURNAL TSTMS ALONG AND S OF FRONTAL
   ZONE...AND E OF DRYLINE...WITH SFC DEW POINTS COMMONLY IN 60S F.
   THOSE BOUNDARIES...AS WELL AS OUTFLOW/DIFFERENTIAL-HEATING
   BOUNDARIES PRODUCED BY PRIOR OVERNIGHT/MORNING CONVECTION...SHOULD
   FOCUS RELATIVE CONCENTRATIONS OF CONVECTION AND AT LEAST MRGL SVR
   POTENTIAL DAY-3.  AFOREMENTIONED UNCERTAINTIES IN PATTERN ALOFT WILL
   AFFECT GEOMETRY OF LOW-MIDDLE LEVEL WINDS AND RELATED
   FAVORABILITY--OR NOT--OF DEEP SHEAR...ESPECIALLY N OF CENTRAL/SRN TX
   SUBTROPICAL JET.  ACCORDINGLY...KINEMATIC PROFILES VARY
   SUBSTANTIALLY IN FCST SOUNDINGS IN MANY GIVEN SPOTS...FROM MODEL TO
   MODEL.
  
   TWO PRIMARY AREAS OF RELATIVE SVR CONCENTRATION MAY BE...
   1. ALONG COLD FRONT FROM LOWER MI SWWD ACROSS IL...WHERE FRONTAL
   FORCING AND FOREGOING DIABATIC HEATING SHOULD SUPPORT BAND OF
   STG-SVR TSTMS WITH DAMAGING GUSTS AND HAIL NEAR SVR LIMITS POSSIBLE.
    VEERED WARM SECTOR FLOW AND WINDS ALOFT CLOSE TO PARALLEL WITH
   BOUNDARY INDICATE QUASI-LINEAR CONVECTION.

  
   2. ALONG/AHEAD OF FRONT AND DRYLINE OVER PORTIONS TX/OK..WHERE STG
   SFC HEATING AND 2000-3000 J/KG MLCAPE MAY BECOME JUXTAPOSED WITH
   LOCALIZED ENHANCEMENTS TO LOW-LEVEL SHEAR NEAR BOUNDARIES. PROGGED
   SFC FLOW IS WEAK...HOWEVER...LIMITING HODOGRAPH SIZE IN MOST AREAS.
   CONVECTION MAY BE RATHER MESSY AND CLUSTERED OVER THIS REGION...BUT
   WITH SVR HAIL/GUSTS POSSIBLE GIVEN STRENGTH OF BUOYANCY AND AT LEAST
   MRGL DEEP-LAYER WIND PROFILES.

 

 

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Might have some severe into day 4?

 

DAY 4-8 CONVECTIVE OUTLOOK 
   NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
   0355 AM CDT TUE MAY 07 2013
  
   VALID 101200Z - 151200Z
  
   ...DISCUSSION...
   SPLIT-FLOW PATTERN NOW CHARACTERIZING MID-UPPER LEVELS OVER CONUS IS
   PROGGED TO TRANSITION TO HIGHLY AMPLIFIED BELT OF SYNOPTIC-SCALE
   WAVES DURING DAY 3-8 PERIOD.  SHORTWAVE DIFFERENCES DESCRIBED IN
   DAY-3 OUTLOOK CARRY INTO DAY-4/10TH-11TH.  IN ADDITION...SFC AIR
   MASS AND BOUNDARY CHARACTERISTICS FROM TX TO OH VALLEY LIKELY WILL
   BE AFFECTED BY LARGE AMOUNT OF CONVECTION POSSIBLE FROM DAY-3 INTO
   EARLY DAY-4.  AS SUCH...CONFIDENCE IS TOO LOW ON MESOSCALE TO ASSIGN
   SPECIFIC 30% AREA ATTM.
  

   THOUGH DIFFERING CONSIDERABLY IN SHORTWAVE DETAILS...OPERATIONAL
   PROGS AND MREF CONSISTENTLY DEPICT WEAK/POSITIVELY TILTED TROUGH AND
   PERHAPS SMALL/CUT-OFF LOW OVER NRN MEX FROM DAY-5/11TH-12TH
   ONWARD...WITH INTENSIFYING/PROGRESSIVE SYNOPTIC TROUGH FROM HUDSON
   BAY SWD ACROSS ERN CONUS.  SUFFICIENT MOISTURE RETURN MAY SUPPORT
   SOME DAY-5 SVR POTENTIAL AHEAD OF DEVELOPING TROUGH ALOFT...OVER
   CORRIDOR BETWEEN MID-ATLC REGION AND AL DAY-5.  LOW-LEVEL FRONTAL
   ZONE SHOULD BE ESSENTIALLY PARALLEL TO FLOW ALOFT.  BECAUSE OF
   BOUNDARY-TIMING/POSITION UNCERTAINTIES...RISK APPEARS TOO
   CONDITIONAL TO ASSIGN 30% AREA ATTM.  BEYOND DAY-5...POTENTIAL WILL
   BECOME LOWER AS ERN TROUGHING AND RELATED LOW-THETAE BOUNDARY LAYER
   COVER MUCH OF ERN STATES AND NRN GULF.

 

 

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Day 2 outlook now mentioning conditional threat for isolated tornadoes. There is some pretty nice veering with height on forecast soundings.

..MID MS AND OH VALLEYS

AXIS OF UPPER 50S TO NEAR 60 DEWPOINTS WILL ADVECT THROUGH PRE-FRONTAL WARM SECTOR. INSTABILITY WILL LIKELY REMAIN MARGINAL IN THIS REGION DUE TO WEAKER LAPSE RATES AND ALSO POTENTIAL FOR WIDESPREAD CLOUDS AND ONGOING CONVECTION. THE LOW LEVEL JET WILL DEVELOP NEWD THROUGH THIS REGION RESULTING IN SIZEABLE HODOGRAPHS WHICH ALONG WITH EFFECTIVE SHEAR OF 30-35 KT WILL SUPPORT THE POTENTIAL FOR A FEW ORGANIZED STORMS WHERE SUFFICIENT BOUNDARY LAYER DESTABILIZATION CAN OCCUR. STORMS MAY CONTINUE DEVELOPING WITHIN THE WEAKLY CAPPED WARM SECTOR ALONG AND JUST SOUTH OF THE FRONT OR IN ASSOCIATION WITH ONGOING CONVECTIVE OUTFLOW BOUNDARIES. MAIN THREATS APPEAR TO BE ISOLATED DAMAGING WIND AND HAIL...BUT A CONDITIONAL THREAT WILL ALSO EXIST FOR ISOLATED TORNADOES.

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Eh, at least it's something. Been so boring lately. 

 

 

Relevant part of the discussion for the sub-forum:

 

...MIDDLE MISSISSIPPI/LOWER OHIO VALLEY...
A BELT OF MODEST WEST SOUTHWESTERLY LOWER/MID TROPOSPHERIC FLOW...ON
THE ORDER OF 30+ KT...ASSOCIATED WITH REMNANT CONVECTIVELY GENERATED
CYCLONIC VORTEXES...MAY ENHANCE THUNDERSTORM ACTIVITY DEVELOPING
ACROSS EAST CENTRAL MISSOURI INTO PARTS OF CENTRAL ILLINOIS AND
NORTHERN/CENTRAL INDIANA BY THIS AFTERNOON. DESTABILIZATION TO THE
SOUTH OF THE WEAK COLD FRONT...EXTENDING EAST NORTHEAST OF THE MID
MISSOURI VALLEY INTO THE LOWER GREAT LAKES...MAY BE LIMITED BY
RELATIVELY WEAK MID-LEVEL LAPSE RATES...PERHAPS WEAK SURFACE HEATING
AS WELL. BUT IT COULD BECOME SUFFICIENT TO SUPPORT A RISK FOR
SEVERE WIND GUSTS AND SOME HAIL IN STRONGER ACTIVITY...BEFORE
CONVECTION WEAKENS THIS EVENING.

 

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And today was different how? 

 

Success! ;)

 

BULLETIN - IMMEDIATE BROADCAST REQUESTED

SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE INDIANAPOLIS IN

752 PM EDT THU MAY 9 2013

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN INDIANAPOLIS HAS ISSUED A

* SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING FOR...

SULLIVAN COUNTY IN SOUTHWEST INDIANA...

SOUTHERN VIGO COUNTY IN WEST CENTRAL INDIANA...

* UNTIL 815 PM EDT

* AT 748 PM EDT...A SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WAS LOCATED NEAR

HUTSONVILLE...AND MOVING NORTHEAST AT 35 MPH.

HAZARD...QUARTER SIZE HAIL AND 60 MPH WIND GUSTS.

SOURCE...RADAR INDICATED.

IMPACT...HAIL DAMAGE TO VEHICLES AND CROPS IS EXPECTED. EXPECT WIND

DAMAGE TO ROOFS...SIDING AND TREES.

* LOCATIONS IMPACTED INCLUDE...

SULLIVAN...GRAYSVILLE...CARLISLE...PAXTON...FAIRBANKS...PRAIRIE

CREEK...SHELBURN...DUGGER...FARMERSBURG...HYMERA...PIMENTO...

PRAIRIETON...RILEY AND SEELYVILLE.

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And today was different how? 

 

Success! ;)

 

BULLETIN - IMMEDIATE BROADCAST REQUESTED

SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE INDIANAPOLIS IN

752 PM EDT THU MAY 9 2013

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN INDIANAPOLIS HAS ISSUED A

* SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING FOR...

SULLIVAN COUNTY IN SOUTHWEST INDIANA...

SOUTHERN VIGO COUNTY IN WEST CENTRAL INDIANA...

* UNTIL 815 PM EDT

* AT 748 PM EDT...A SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WAS LOCATED NEAR

HUTSONVILLE...AND MOVING NORTHEAST AT 35 MPH.

HAZARD...QUARTER SIZE HAIL AND 60 MPH WIND GUSTS.

SOURCE...RADAR INDICATED.

IMPACT...HAIL DAMAGE TO VEHICLES AND CROPS IS EXPECTED. EXPECT WIND

DAMAGE TO ROOFS...SIDING AND TREES.

* LOCATIONS IMPACTED INCLUDE...

SULLIVAN...GRAYSVILLE...CARLISLE...PAXTON...FAIRBANKS...PRAIRIE

CREEK...SHELBURN...DUGGER...FARMERSBURG...HYMERA...PIMENTO...

PRAIRIETON...RILEY AND SEELYVILLE.

Run of the mill.

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Run of the mill. Sent from my SCH-I535 2

Apparently, according to WTHI on Twitter, a tornado has been reported near Carlisle. Of course this is unconfirmed and no warning with it. Sheriffnado perhaps?

The LSR says it came from the 911 center. Probably worse than a sheriffnado. A soccer-momnado.

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