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March 25th Storm: Debacle or Climo Defier? Discussion and Obs II


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Hey snownut, I was one of those hardly any other skiers! Had a great time. Ninth trip to Canaan Valley this season. Poured snow all day!

 

I wasn't doing any "real skiing" there yesterday as I was there with my 8 year old daughter. It was only her second time skiing and she did quite well. The conditions really were awesome, this is one of those years they will close just because it is April and there aren't enough skiers, not because the snow is gone!

 

Ironically, next winter after I have sold my WV place (which is an hour and 10 minutes from Davis) I will have more time and money to ski. My 8 year experiment with having 2 homes has been an expensive but fun learning experience. Onward soon I hope??

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Still snow on most grassy areas and almost all of the rooftops. You can tell who never upgraded the insulation in our 1960s attics. Will all be a distant memory by this afternoon. Melted down 0.64" in the stratus gauge and 0.59" in the Davis tb. More than IAD or DCA, so in addition to my elevation, I may have been in a good precip spot.

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Stats for yesterday:  

-12F departure, 0.82" liquid and 3.2" of snow at BWI.  

-11F departure, 0.44" liquid and 3.2" of snow at IAD.

-14F departure, 0.52" liquid and 1.4" of snow at DCA.  

 

Quite an anomalous day for late March.  BWI had more QPF from this event than March 6th.  

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Really big difference in remaining snow cover between the home front and work. There was a solid 1-2" left on the ground when I left this morning and by the time I reached the 50/495 interchange there wasn't much more than a dusting left. All will be a memory by this afternoon.

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Stats for yesterday:  

-12F departure, 0.82" QPF and 3.2" of snow at BWI.  

-11F departure, 0.44" QPF and 3.2" of snow at IAD.

-14F departure, 0.52" QPF and 1.4" of snow at DCA.  

 

Quite an anomalous day for late March.  BWI had more QPF from this event than March 6th.  

 

I don't follow DC temps too closely, but those departures seem too low.  Isn't DC's avg high like 60 now?  For instance, my avg high is 56F and yesterday's high was only 37.  DC really made it to 46F yesterday?  Same for the other airports?

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I don't follow DC temps too closely, but those departures seem too low.  Isn't DC's avg high like 60 now?  For instance, my avg high is 56F and yesterday's high was only 37.  DC really made it to 46F yesterday?  Same for the other airports?

Noticed that as well.  Maybe he's posting the departure from the daily mean?

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I don't follow DC temps too closely, but those departures seem too low.  Isn't DC's avg high like 60 now?  For instance, my avg high is 56F and yesterday's high was only 37.  DC really made it to 46F yesterday?  Same for the other airports?

That's departure from daily average temperature.  DCA's daily average temperature is 50F now.  Yes, that probably means a average high of 60F and low of 40F.  Yesterday the average temperature at DCA was 36F with a high of 39F and low of 33F.  

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So it's a top 5 snow event DCA 3/25 or later?

I believe it's #2 in that category. A two-day storm March 30-31, 1964 produced 5.8 inches at DCA. Since then, the only thing close is 2.0 inches on March 24-25, 1990, but only 0.1 inch was recorded on the 25th.
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Melted and settled to 2" on the driveway and 5" still common on the mulch.  Like the odds of my snow piles making it to easter sunday. That would be at least some snow piles or patches here since March 6th. Certainly an amazing March out here.

 

Driving home from Davis last night, there was a really heavy band stuck on top of the highest mountain between Moorefield and Baker on Corridor H.  Must have been that one persistent band that showed up on radar last night.  It went from light rain and minimal snowcover in Moorefield to what looked like at least a foot on the sides of the road and heavy snow up on top of that ridge.  There was more snow on the ground there than anywhere else east of Mt. Storm.

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Driving home from Davis last night, there was a really heavy band stuck on top of the highest mountain between Moorefield and Baker on Corridor H.  Must have been that one persistent band that showed up on radar last night.  It went from light rain and minimal snowcover in Moorefield to what looked like at least a foot on the sides of the road and heavy snow up on top of that ridge.  There was more snow on the ground there than anywhere else east of Mt. Storm.

 

Matt,  That is pretty typical for that high plateau area, ridges there are over 3000 feet. There are several miles of pretty flat high country there. My property is on the west side 1200' down from South Branch Mountain.  There were still large north facing areas up there that were completely white before this last snow.  Glad you got out to enjoy Timberline yesterday, it was a perfect ski day.

 

More pictures out the window this morning.

 

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I could feel it coming  the past few years, but I couldn't get myself to say it

I am really ready of spring

I think I slept 11 hours last night as my body was catching up for 4 months of no sleep thanks to late night computer runs

and only 8 months, 10 days until 12/5

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I could feel it coming  the past few years, but I couldn't get myself to say it

I am really ready of spring

I think I slept 11 hours last night as my body was catching up for 4 months of no sleep thanks to late night computer runs

and only 8 months, 10 days until 12/5

 

My 5424 hour forecast tells me that we will have snow next winter before Dec. 5.  I can feel a white Thanksgiving coming.

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Matt,  That is pretty typical for that high plateau area, ridges there are over 3000 feet. There are several miles of pretty flat high country there. My property is on the west side 1200' down from South Branch Mountain.  There were still large north facing areas up there that were completely white before this last snow.  Glad you got out to enjoy Timberline yesterday, it was a perfect ski day.

 

More pictures out the window this morning.

 

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Nice pics.  On a related note, I've been looking for a pub-style table for my basement and I notice you have one.  Since you're selling that house maybe you'd be interested in selling......

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maybe...I am dubious that these things happen so often....Capitol and my house are equidistant from DCA at the same elevation...I have the river....they may have more heat island..

 

My problem with DCA is less about them sucking as a place to measure...we all know that.....my issue has always been that regardless of where they are located they don't measure properly.....I was hoping for more snow this winter of course, but I thought this was going to be a good experiment given I am a few miles south right on the water at the same elevation

 

Here are the measurable events this winter MBY/DCA

 

12/26 - 0.25"/0.2"

1/23-24 - 1.0"/0.4"

1/25 - 0.5"/0.4"

1/28 - T/0.1"

2/1 - 0.5"/0.2"

2/2 - 0.25"/0.2"

3/6 - 0.25"/0.2"

3/25 - 2.25"/1.4"

 

Total - 5.0"/3.1"

 

Now maybe I overmeasured slightly but not by 2"..they even had one more event than me! ;)

 

Most of the discrepancy came in the 2 "big" events....I have no earthly idea how DCA only got 0.4" in a cold clipper that fell at night....and then there is today.....

 

maybe it is UHI...but it seems like every winter has at least one fishy measurement that doesn't fit in....if it is because they don't sweep and they just stick a ruler in every  6 hours then that would make sense

 

I have a few sources over the years who have issues with how they measure....you may know about some of this

 

where they measure and whether it is in a legit spot wrt to the buildings.....whether they ever use the roof as backup....and whether the FAA observers care about getting it right....I have it on good authority that it isn't that important to them to get it "exact" and they arent into inconveniencing themselves to do so....

 

I'll be back in DC next winter so this was a one year experiment, but I know in Jan 96 and Dec 09 in particular my Mom destroyed the DCA total....

 

looks like DCA confirmed and changed to 1.4"

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Nice pics.  On a related note, I've been looking for a pub-style table for my basement and I notice you have one.  Since you're selling that house maybe you'd be interested in selling......

 

Absolutely, that is one of the furnishings my wife does not want and it will be going on Craigs List when the place sells. Send me a PM

about how much and when you want it with the two chairs. I will ask her what she was expecting for it.

 

On a weather note back to steady flurries here again but the temp has risen to the daily high of 34.2...

 

Going back to VA soon, daughter is on spring break this week to my work time is limited so a road trip for the table is not out of the question.

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Nice event and redeemed this winter just a little bit. Snowed off and on much of the day but created no traffic problems so I was able to drive over to Rock Creek Park and traipse around while the snow was falling and accumulating. Got a bit of sledding in with my daughter, which is always a worthwhile endeavor. I told her this is probably one of the rare times she'll be able to sled after her birthday (which was on the 21st). Never did measure but I see the report from AU of 2.5" so I'll go with that but inflate it a bit to 2.75" just for aesthetics' sake. Since I don't report to anyone but myself, no harm no foul. 

 

That departure map of the country posted earlier was amazing. 

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Still snow on most grassy areas and almost all of the rooftops. You can tell who never upgraded the insulation in our 1960s attics. Will all be a distant memory by this afternoon. Melted down 0.64" in the stratus gauge and 0.59" in the Davis tb. More than IAD or DCA, so in addition to my elevation, I may have been in a good precip spot.

On my drive to work this morning on I-66, the most snow remaining on the sides of the road was in Falls Church. Out in Centreville, only the most shaded areas still had any traces.

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Stats for yesterday:  

-12F departure, 0.82" QPF and 3.2" of snow at BWI.  

-11F departure, 0.44" QPF and 3.2" of snow at IAD.

-14F departure, 0.52" QPF and 1.4" of snow at DCA.  

 

Quite an anomalous day for late March.  BWI had more QPF from this event than March 6th.  

 

Fun day in Reston, finally got to go sledding for the first time in 3 years.

 

Side note, a common occurrence around here is calling accumulated precip QPF, which makes no sense of course since QPF is a forecast of precip, not what actually fell.

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