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March 24-25 Potential Bomb Part Deux


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Last three RAP runs showing 500MB vorticity valid 15Z tomorrow. Is this trending one way or the other or just noise?

 

Noticeable tick to the north and west with the back edge of the height rises in the Atlantic, and the height line associated with the southern fringe of the ULL to our north. Both of those are essential features.

 

A slight wobble or tick north or south can blow the lid off the forecast. So I think everyone in here who forecasts for a living or for a company/etc will be watching very, very carefully.

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Noticeable tick to the north and west with the back edge of the height rises in the Atlantic, and the height line associated with the southern fringe of the ULL to our north. Both of those are essential features.

 

A slight wobble or tick north or south can blow the lid off the forecast. So I think everyone in here who forecasts for a living or for a company/etc will be watching very, very carefully.

Last three HRRR runs have a similar NW tick with height rises however it looks like the ULL is pressing harder. 

 

http://rapidrefresh.noaa.gov/HRRR/from_jet/hrrr_jet/2013032419/t3/vort_t3500_f15.png

 

http://rapidrefresh.noaa.gov/HRRR/from_jet/hrrr_jet/2013032420/t3/vort_t3500_f14.png

 

http://rapidrefresh.noaa.gov/HRRR/from_jet/hrrr_jet/2013032421/t3/vort_t3500_f13.png

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Srefs drier and maybe se...don't really have the interest in checking for sure.

 

They tightened the gradient pretty dramatically..falling in line with the other model guidance. That still doesn't change the fact that a small wobble with the gradient will have huge implications.

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Noticeable tick to the north and west with the back edge of the height rises in the Atlantic, and the height line associated with the southern fringe of the ULL to our north. Both of those are essential features.

 

A slight wobble or tick north or south can blow the lid off the forecast. So I think everyone in here who forecasts for a living or for a company/etc will be watching very, very carefully.

 

unfortunately for the pro's, it might be too late.

 

not to state the obvious, but if the upper level low moves even 20-30 miles further NE a lot of the NYC area would get a good amt of snow...the only reason I have a very hard believing it to fruition is that EURO never really budged in its depiction...

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but if you look up by Maine the energy from the ULL is clearly further south....that would result in it being forced out south of us...most models are picking up on this now....

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unfortunately for the pro's, it might be too late.

 

not to state the obvious, but if the upper level low moves even 20-30 miles further NE a lot of the NYC area would get a good amt of snow...the only reason I have a very hard believing it to fruition is that EURO never really budged in its depiction...

 

Yeah,  I agree that the chances are very low to see a tremendous bust in either direction.. especially given how the usually inferior models slowly caved to the Euro solution. The Euro did tick NW a few times to get where it is now, but it was essentially a 90/10 blend towards the original Euro idea.

 

Any time I see these incredible gradients, I cringe as a forecaster. They always end up tighter than forecast because you'll get a nice heavy band on the very edge of the confluence that sits on a west to east angle and doesn't move for a few hours. In Feb 2010 there were 10" discrepancies over a couple of miles due to this.

 

Will be a fun late season storm to track...and it will be good to see snow falling regardless of whether it sticks.

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They tightened the gradient pretty dramatically..falling in line with the other model guidance. That still doesn't change the fact that a small wobble with the gradient will have huge implications.

They have about .25" of precip after 21z tomorrow though for NYC and east.

That would be good timing with nightfall.

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SREF went southeast and now the gradient is tighter. It looks like the southern parts of the NYC area is more than the northern parts. The 1 inch contour is near SI. It's still really close.

http://mag.ncep.noaa.gov/Image.php?model=sref&area=namer¶m=precip_p24&cycle=21ℑ=sref%2F21%2Fsref_namer_036_precip_p24.gif

I think its about 20-30 miles south of there...the. 5" line cuts right through the city

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SREF went southeast and now the gradient is tighter. It looks like the southern parts of the NYC area is more than the northern parts. The 1 inch contour is near SI. It's still really close.

 

http://mag.ncep.noaa.gov/Image.php?model=sref&area=namer&param=precip_p24&cycle=21ℑ=sref%2F21%2Fsref_namer_036_precip_p24.gif

 

the 1" inch contour is south of Sandy Hook (at least on the map you posted)...SI, come on!

 

Its clearly in North Central Monmouth

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