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March 24-25 Potential Bomb Part Deux


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around Novemeber 7 the length of the day is about 2 hours less then March 25 - sun angle is less of a factor in november- only way anyone gets over 3 inches is if they get caught in a very heavy band - 2 - 3 inch or more per hour rates because temps are going to be above freezing

What are the 850 temps?

 

I think greater than 1" per hour during the day on March 25 would accumulate snow.

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 anyways looks like this is mainly a I-70  through  I-80 snow event north and south of that area going to be less for obvious reasons

 

I wouldn't even neccesarily count on that...their timeframe for heaviest snow versus time of day is even worse.  But time will tell...and the axis of heaviest precip is still not 100% certain...might still shift north or south before the event begins. 

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RGEM did cut back on QPF from 00z with the 06z and now the 12z runs.    I think a blend of the nam/gfs is the way to go.  Anyone from i-195 south probably has best shot at more than 3 inches inthe heaviest bands and anyone from i-195 to i78 includig EWR.NYC are on the fringes.  THe nws call looks good right now.  

 

Unless the Euro comes north, it's going to be tough more than a grassy coating to 2" north of Central New Jersey into NYC Metro.

We really need snowfall intensity for daytime accumulations with temps starting out in the mid to upper 30's.

Would like to see a last minute jog north like they got in Southern Jersey back on February 1st that all the models

missed.

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You can think what you want but this system has major timing issues and a rate of 1 in/hr isnt going to get it done. We will need 2 in/ hr snow to get accums on grass. April accum snow almost always occur overnight and early am and most times they are gone by afternoon. Antecedent airmass is also unimpressive at surface

What are the 850 temps?

I think greater than 1" per hour during the day on March 25 would accumulate snow.

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There was an April storm several years ago that featured accumulating snow during the day.

 

Yeah, this is going to be a rate dependent storm for accumulations. That was a nice snowburst back in April 2006.

It snowed hard enough to drop the temperatures from 40 down to 34 degrees. An hour or two later the sun came

out and it all melted.

 

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You can think what you want but this system has major timing issues and a rate of 1 in/hr isnt going to get it done. We will need 2 in/ hr snow to get accums on grass. April accum snow almost always occur overnight and early am and most times they are gone by afternoon. Antecedent airmass is also unimpressive at surface

 

 

Several days back IMBY I just got 0.4" of accumulated snow. If I recall correctly, it accumulated between about 3:45pm and 5:30pm. Snow fall rates were only moderate at best.

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You can think what you want but this system has major timing issues and a rate of 1 in/hr isnt going to get it done. We will need 2 in/ hr snow to get accums on grass. April accum snow almost always occur overnight and early am and most times they are gone by afternoon. Antecedent airmass is also unimpressive at surface

 

 

Strongly leaning your way at the moment; though I do think some good accumulations are possible after 5 PM...if it is not too late by then. 

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Several days back IMBY I just got 0.4" of accumulated snow. If I recall correctly, it accumulated between about 3:45pm and 5:30pm. Snow fall rates were only moderate at best.

 

Yep...but temps were only 29 F to 30 F on the Island that afternoon. 

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Long Islanders should hope the heaviest snows hold off until after 5 PM or so...to give it the best chance of accumulating.  Really looks like much of the snow falls at the worst possible time...for those who like it to accumulate.  We have had so many night event snowstorms the last few years we were bound to get unlucky with one. 

Or lucky if you enjoy watching heavy snow fall....

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Yeah, this is going to be a rate dependent storm for accumulations. That was a nice snowburst back in April 2006.

It snowed hard enough to drop the temperatures from 40 down to 34 degrees. An hour or two later the sun came

out and it all melted.

 

 

That was the one where the CPK was stuck on 39.9" for the winter and they called it a 0.1" event to give them 4 straight years with 40 inches. 

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NWS Upton call is NOT what you are indicating. That call is for 2-4 inches in immediate metro area

 

 

RGEM did cut back on QPF from 00z with the 06z and now the 12z runs.    I think a blend of the nam/gfs is the way to go.  Anyone from i-195 south probably has best shot at more than 3 inches inthe heaviest bands and anyone from i-195 to i78 includig EWR.NYC are on the fringes.  THe nws call looks good right now.  

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Or lucky if you enjoy watching heavy snow fall....

 

Well I would feel very lucky.  To me the best part of a snow storm is not the accumulation but the sight of the snow itself.  I hate shoveling.

It seems all too often the heaviest snows fall at night.

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Guys...if you want to count slush on roads and 2 to 3 in on cars and grass then youll get what you want but full fledged accums on roads and ratios greater than 6 to 1 arent going to happen.

 

Don't think anybody is claiming that we'll get "full fledged accums on roads". At least not in the daytime.

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Precip rates that day were pretty light weren't they? Less than 0.1"?

 

Yes they were...I had 29 F and light snow that would not accumulate till after 5 PM.  It did turn to light to moderate snow at that point and I measured 0.4" (snow) in about 85 minutes. 

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I do think this thing will edge north of the GFS / NAM simulation another 25 to 50 miles when all is said and done...as it always seems to...or at least 8 out of 10 times. 

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I really think the models, especially the GFS, are overdoing the cut-off on the north side of the precipitation shield due to convective feedback/QPF bomb along the Jersey shore. Do I really think that Perth Amboy is going to receive almost 1" of QPF in 6 hours while Westchester receives .1" QPF? I don't think so...The 5H chart on the 12z GFS is classic for a NYC snowstorm with the upper low cutting off just SE of the City. 

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You can think what you want but this system has major timing issues and a rate of 1 in/hr isnt going to get it done. We will need 2 in/ hr snow to get accums on grass. April accum snow almost always occur overnight and early am and most times they are gone by afternoon. Antecedent airmass is also unimpressive at surface

 

 

I am sorry, but I was nearly killed 10 years ago in a car accident on Route 80 in snow in April during the day.  It was accumulating even on the highway during the day in April, and it was not even snowing anywhere near an inch per hour rates. 

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Yeah i heard that before that models were over doing the cut off. And yet february 2010 ..you know ..

 

The confluence was quite a bit stronger then though from what it seems to me, not that there is not confluence this time but to me its not strong enough to cause as sharp a cutoff though there will still be a decent gradient it won't be 12/30/00 or 2/6/10 like.

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