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March 24-25 Winter Storm Threat


Mitchel Volk

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A late blooming miller B like what the GFS op shows won't get it done for the coast. In fact, not much will get it done for the coast except an amazing pattern, which is exactly what the ensembles are advertising.

 

 

You said 4,000 times about yesterday's storm that the coast wont do well.

Well the coast got 3"-5" of snow.

The pattern that is setup is incredible for the coast and with a big time coastal, the coast will get more snow.

If the coastal actually happens, of course.

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I just have a hard time believing that the coast is going to see snow.  I want to see it just as much as anyone else in here.  I hope you are all right and we get 2 feet of snow.

 

 

THE COAST GOT 3"-5" OF SNOW LAST NIGHT FROM A WAA EVENT.

 

How is it hard to believe?

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You said 4,000 times about yesterday's storm that the coast wont do well.

Well the coast got 3"-5" of snow.

The pattern that is setup is incredible for the coast and with a big time coastal, the coast will get more snow.

If the coastal actually happens, of course.

I never said such a thing, maybe you took what I had posted about a particular model and ran with it. The Euro and GGEM were showing a good storm even for NYC and I never went against that.

 

But I'm not the only one that was surprised by the over performance last night for the coast.

 

I got close to 6" in my backyard, rates top 3 so far this year.

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I would use the Euro ensembles at this point. The ECMWF has been too far south with storm threats of late. There's also no other model support for the GFS solution, with the primary low over MI.

Even the GEFS mean gets the coastal up this way, albeit it's warm for the coast. The Canadian mean matches the Euro ensembles.

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THE COAST GOT 3"-5" OF SNOW LAST NIGHT FROM A WAA EVENT.

 

How is it hard to believe?

We lucked out that the snow began heavily right away, and before WAA really overwhemed everything. It came in heavier than most anticipated, but the overall timeframe of a couple of hours of accumulating snow was about right for most. Let's try to keep this on topic and relating to the upcoming potential event.

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THE COAST GOT 3"-5" OF SNOW LAST NIGHT FROM A WAA EVENT.

 

How is it hard to believe?

 

Yea, but we're talking about a whole week further into spring.  At this point the pattern basically has to be perfect for the coast to see more than 3-4".  It would pretty much be as anomalous as mid 50s in Greenland in March, which we actually did see the past few days.

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Euro Control run has a 978mb low centered about 100 miles off Atlantic City at 150 hrs.

 

At 144 hrs. it consolidates the low to 986mb about 50 miles off the central Delmarva, then takes it to about 100 miles off Atlantic City at 150 hrs, then exits it due east from there. Total precip probably around .75 or so. throughout the area.  850 level is around -6 or -7.  Don't have surface temps as they are still appearing for this morning's run.

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As far as the people worried about the cold air, keep in mind we actually have an even colder and more widespread cold air mass than the March 8 storm.

We've seen accumulating snow well into April, I don't see why we can't see it now especially with this patten, the record setting AO should not be taken lightly.

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We lucked out that the snow began heavily right away, and before WAA really overwhemed everything. It came in heavier than most anticipated, but the overall timeframe of a couple of hours of accumulating snow was about right for most. Let's try to keep this on topic and relating to the upcoming potential event.

Not if you used the right models.

Euro/Rgem combo, when they agree, is deadly.

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Yea, but we're talking about a whole week further into spring. At this point the pattern basically has to be perfect for the coast to see more than 3-4". It would pretty much be as anomalous as mid 50s in Greenland in March, which we actually did see the past few days.

And this pattern is perfect

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This time of year good timing can mean the difference between and inch or 2 of slush and maybe 4 or 5 inches. Its still 4-5 days out there but at 126 (00z Monday morning or 7pm Sunday night) the GEFS has precip beginning in our area, and continues for about 24 hours, but most of the precip falls from 7pm to 7am.  It looks as if there are some timing differences though between the various ensemble members and light to mod precip does remain in the area all day Monday into Tuesday. If this storm does reach us it looks like we might be lucky again with good timing. We'll see though because timing is a very flexible and easily changed when models begin to key on a final solution.

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