WilkesboroDude Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 http://www.nbcnews.com/video/nightly-news/51108647/#51108647 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isohume Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 USA! USA! USA! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teru Teru Bozu Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 USA! USA! USA!Maybe it's time for a Weather Model World War. NCEP vs ECMWF vs CMC vs UKMET vs JMA.NBC has done a couple of segments on weather models in recent months (they had one on the Today Show a little while back). They never seem to include the caveat that no model is infallible all of the time, not even the Euro. But it would take a while to explain concepts like run-to-run consistency, initialization, model consensus (the ECMWF was the outlier for a time with this very storm), and other subtleties, so it's easier to just say that the Euro rules and the GFS drools. Don't get me wrong, NCEP obviously needs more money/more resources/better computers/delicious cupcakes. But blind model riding makes me nervous enough when mets do it, I don't feel particularly good when the general public is encouraged to do it as well. I also hope that segments like this don't give the impression to the less-aware that "American models suck = American forecasters suck". Obviously the biggest issue with "Snowquester" (WTF?) was that they planted Jim Cantore in D.C., though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isohume Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 Maybe it's time for a Weather Model World War. NCEP vs ECMWF vs CMC vs UKMET vs JMA. NBC has done a couple of segments on weather models in recent months (they had one on the Today Show a little while back). They never seem to include the caveat that no model is infallible all of the time, not even the Euro. But it would take a while to explain concepts like run-to-run consistency, initialization, model consensus (the ECMWF was the outlier for a time with this very storm), and other subtleties, so it's easier to just say that the Euro rules and the GFS drools. Don't get me wrong, NCEP obviously needs more money/more resources/better computers/delicious cupcakes. But blind model riding makes me nervous enough when mets do it, I don't feel particularly good when the general public is encouraged to do it as well. I also hope that segments like this don't give the impression to the less-aware that "American models suck = American forecasters suck". Obviously the biggest issue with "Snowquester" (WTF?) was that they planted Jim Cantore in D.C., though. I agree. A non-story made to look like a story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jburns Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 I agree. A non-story made to look like a story. We should have taken him along with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frazdaddy Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 We should have taken him along with us. Sure would have improved his ratings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jburns Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 Sure would have improved his ratings. Yep, and by now Snow Packed Chicken would be a national craze. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frazdaddy Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 Yep, and by now Snow Packed Chicken would be a national craze.That recipe would be in high demand for sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarheelwx Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 The euro absolutely stunk this past storm and GFS did better. I"ve always been a euro fan, but it seems that when both models lock onto a storm with different outcomes, the gfs is right just as often as the euro. TW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LithiaWx Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 The euro absolutely stunk this past storm and GFS did better. I"ve always been a euro fan, but it seems that when both models lock onto a storm with different outcomes, the gfs is right just as often as the euro. TW I don't think the euro stunk. It had a blip where it took the storm a bit too far south but it was only a run or two. I remember seeing some snow maps from the euro that were pretty accurate for north VA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superjames1992 Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 I don't think the euro stunk. It had a blip where it took the storm a bit too far south but it was only a run or two. I remember seeing some snow maps from the euro that were pretty accurate for north VA. The Euro kept accumulating snowfall across the northern NC Piedmont until about 72 hours out, so it certainly missed that. With that being said, it wasn't terrible and it wasn't as if the GFS exactly was perfect with that storm, too. Indeed, the Euro was the first one to really pick up on the idea of the storm stalling off the NC/VA coast at ~10 days out. With that being said, statistically, there is not a huge difference between the Euro, GFS, UK Met, or the GGEM (since its upgrade) in the Northern Hemisphere. Sure enough, the Euro is best overall, but it's not as if the other modeling should be tossed into the dumpster. The Euro really seems to excel far above the GFS in the Southern Hemisphere. They must have better data collection down there or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilkesboroDude Posted March 10, 2013 Author Share Posted March 10, 2013 The Euro really seems to excel far above the GFS in the Southern Hemisphere. They must have better data collection down there or something. are we in the northern or southern hemisphere globe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metalicwx366 Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 are we in the northern or southern hemisphere globe? Northern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAD_Wedge_NC Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 are we in the northern or southern hemisphere globe? You have got to be kidding me.......??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LithiaWx Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Northern. You have got to be kidding me.......??? Troll bait Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jburns Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Troll bait Maybe he drives a Doge Hemisphere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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