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Significant Ocean Storm March 5-7 2013 Discussion Part II


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What would be the reason why the runs yesterday showed heavy bands rotating and dropping in from the NE to SW....and lingering with mod-heavy snow for much longer, while today and the general trend has been to make the storm shorter duration. (Yes, we still show precip over us but it is too light to accumulate especially with temps rising after the brunt of the storm).

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Hr 48 - 850`s still east, much better than the 6z 54 hr crazy torch look . NAM picks up on NORLUN buts east over the ocean , SLP down to 996 at 48 hr vs the 1004 at 54 hr on the 6z

looks like its a stall there , see in future frames if it hangs out ..

HR 54 precip is light enough that 850`s come WEST , STRECTH from CNJ thru SNE

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Dude we get over 1" QPF on this run. What are you complaining about? 850s and 2m temps ticked east, which is most important for you. 

I'm paying more attention to where the NAM seems to be placing the heaviest output, not how much. I'm concerned about a Euro-like outcome with the QPF where there is the min in between the two max areas, but a colder look overall is definitely good. We'll just have to see how it goes.

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High res NAM simulated radars are still very impressive. We want that mega band to stay far enough to the south because there is going to be an area of subsidence to the north of it. You can see that seeting up over far south Jersey by hour 36. At hour 39 we're still getting crushed. The precip shield extends almost all the way to Pittsburgh, PA.

 

The high res is painting an area of precip in excess of 5" from Central DE to Cape May, NJ.

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thru 54 hours looks to approaching 1.25"

so u take that down to .75 (due to historical wetness of Nam) and take out another .10 to mxing and you can say Nam says 3-6 for CPK which I think is fair ++ since 36 hours ago we would have been lucky to get 3 mm

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Hr 48 - 850`s still east, much better than the 6z 54 hr crazy torch look . NAM picks up on NORLUN buts east over the ocean , SLP down to 996 at 48 hr vs the 1004 at 54 hr on the 6z

looks like its a stall there , see in future frames if it hangs out ..

HR 54 precip is light enough that 850`s come WEST , STRECTH from CNJ thru SNE

The norlun aspect of this doesn't begin until about hrs 66-78 so you're off on that one.

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Hr 48 - 850`s still east, much better than the 6z 54 hr crazy torch look . NAM picks up on NORLUN buts east over the ocean , SLP down to 996 at 48 hr vs the 1004 at 54 hr on the 6z

looks like its a stall there , see in future frames if it hangs out ..

HR 54 precip is light enough that 850`s come WEST , STRECTH from CNJ thru SNE

its not the light precip doing this, but the dynamics disappearing

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its not the light precip doing this, but the dynamics disappearing

We are lucky to have them in the first place with an ULL that is closing off way before it gets here. But yes, the dynamics are dead at that point and everything cuts off from the cold air source.

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Hr 45 very heavy banding over all of Central NJ and Long Island. Hour 48 all of NJ outside of Cape May getting blasted as this begins to move out. 24 hour + event. The bottom line is, this is a huge hit for 90% of us. I would be worried about BL issues still if I lived out towards Central Long Island. The precip extends far enough north and west that everyone in this sub-forum would get hit hard.

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its not the light precip doing this, but the dynamics disappearing

LOL , yes dude , its the same thing my man . As the dynamics get shifted east the precip lightens as the best lifting is gone - the the precip lightens and the 850`s warm ...

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Guys in SNE gona have BL issues under those 2 inches - Looks like an Est wind for a time and there 850`s are troched

from hr 54 onward .

Looks a little like feb 2009 slightly colder aloft to there south ?

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I'll tell you what, if you were to take the NAM verbatim it's a warning criteria for everyone. Outside maybe Orange County and Suffolk County. It's very close for Nassau and the city but some really intense banding swings through right before things shut off. Someone could easily pick up 2-4" of snow an hour in some of those spots. It's also a long duration event with much of it falling overnight. Someone up near West Milford could see in excess of 18". It's too bad that the deepest this ever gets is about 996.

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9z SREF mean plume snowfall shows 10.8" at KLGA

Taking away the highest outlier (24.74" lol) and the lowest outlier (1.26") still yields an impressive mean of 9.9"

http://www.spc.noaa.gov/exper/sref/fplumes/index2.php?YMD=20130305&RT=09&PRM=Total-SNO&SID=LGA&INC=ALL&NNC=&max=&min=&mZOOM=4&mLAT=37.77478874678&mLON=-96.042896875&mTYP=roadmap

Not so far off from the nam actually. I'd feel safe forecasting 3-6 for western Suffolk west with a max of 4-8/6-10 in the nearby nj ny ct burbs

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