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The March 6 Storm- The (last) Great White Hope


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we have enough weenies posting clown maps...you're a met...feel free to add something of value

In the past, most folks have enjoyed seeing a close-up map when a potential big storm is looming...cut me some slack Jack.

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LOL at barking at mets for not providing content after handwringing about temps four days away

 

nobody is handwringing...these are legit topics of dicsussion when talking about a gradient storm in a marginal airmass...if it is too highbrow for you, I'm sorry..go stare at a clown map

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Perhaps this is an argument worth NOT having but I still believe the "phasing scenario" would have been a joke, overall. It was a no-win IMO with that setup and it was no coincidence that a suppressed and rainy scenario was being modeled continuously by the data when the Great Lakes "pivoter" was on the table (I know there were snowy solutions too but there were a lot more bad).

This morphed into a much more reasonable and predictable solution and the kind that can bring a Mid Atlantic pasting. The "adding cold air" argument with the phasing scenario is wrong because the northern wave and southern wave would have resisted each other longer (with the Michigan wave kicking the southern wave further out before the partial phase).

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Perhaps this an argument worth NOT having but I still believe the "phasing scenario" would have been a joke, overall. It was a no-win IMO with that setup and it was no coincidence that a suppressed and rainy scenario was being modeled continuously by the data when the Great Lakes "pivoter" was on the table (I know there were snowy solutions too but there were a lot more bad).

This morphed into a much more reasonable and predictable solution and the kind that can bring a Mid Atlantic pasting. The "adding cold air" argument with the phasing scenario is wrong because the northern wave and southern wave would have resisted each other longer (with the Michigan wave kicking the southern wave further out before the partial phase).

thanks for the info HM

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Perhaps this is an argument worth NOT having but I still believe the "phasing scenario" would have been a joke, overall. It was a no-win IMO with that setup and it was no coincidence that a suppressed and rainy scenario was being modeled continuously by the data when the Great Lakes "pivoter" was on the table (I know there were snowy solutions too but there were a lot more bad).

This morphed into a much more reasonable and predictable solution and the kind that can bring a Mid Atlantic pasting. The "adding cold air" argument with the phasing scenario is wrong because the northern wave and southern wave would have resisted each other longer (with the Michigan wave kicking the southern wave further out before the partial phase).

No arguments here.  Interesting thoughts and observations, and interesting how the whole scenario moved away from the phasing idea to the evolution now depicted.

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per tonight's Euro, tomorrow morning at 7AM BWI's 850 temp is -12C, yet the best we can muster is a -2C after more than 12 hours of darkness

no wonder we can't get snow around here; that is crazy

 

 

will you be happy with something other than a shutout that may not be a 12" snowstorm?

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I liked it.. please provide for each and every run from now till the storm. Thanks in advance. :)

Yeah I like the maps, too. Even if they're probably a bit overdone in our area. Honestly, even though it's a totally different setup, this storm kind of feels like the Jan 2011 commutageddon storm down here where we were modeled to get some good snow but got screwed in the end. I think we'll do a little better on this one but overall I don't have a great feeling about it. In the end it's just snow so it's no big deal and I hope somebody gets crushed just because everyone on this forum is as "due" as anyone else is (although, arguably, our area is more "due" for a truly historic storm than the DCA area solely because of 09-10). 

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thanks for the info HM

 

No problem. While you guys are getting a wet snow bomb, I'm worried about the shoreline up this way. Things aren't exactly "back to normal" post-Sandy and the 00z solutions tonight are getting alarming.  

No arguments here.  Interesting thoughts and observations, and interesting how the whole scenario moved away from the phasing idea to the evolution now depicted.

The coolest thing about this is how it became "classic" for you guys. Now you have a simple "bowling ball" crashing into the effects of a strong -NAO block. If the Mid Atlantic is going to get hit hard, this is it. The 50-50 low and Quebec Anticyclone are going NO WHERE and this will prevent a rapid shift north (it will shift of course but not to the point where all of a sudden VA-MD aren't seeing shiat).

Also, the strong blocking / upper low will make for a sharp deformation zone. Along the edge of the precipitation, there could be a secondary enhancement with slightly better snow growth. Something to keep an eye on in the coming days (usually some enhancement 800-600mb frontogenesis/cooler temps).

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Yeah I like the maps, too. Even if they're probably a bit overdone in our area. Honestly, even though it's a totally different setup, this storm kind of feels like the Jan 2011 commutageddon storm down here where we were modeled to get some good snow but got screwed in the end. I think we'll do a little better on this one but overall I don't have a great feeling about it. In the end it's just snow so it's no big deal and I hope somebody gets crushed just because everyone on this forum is as "due" as anyone else is (although, arguably, our area is more "due" for a truly historic storm than the DCA area solely because of 09-10). 

 

 

This is a different bird-- slower event and better h5 track. 

 

GFS is likely overdone, but it's a ton colder. moved away from the 45-50 tuesday and we don't break 40, maybe even 35. It's sleeting by 7 and a very wet snow by 1 AM. Very isolthermal, but I'd take it. more like 7-1 ratio, so cut a third off of that. 

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