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E PA/NJ/DE/Okle: Banter/Non Storm OBS thread


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I'm sorry, do you work in forest fire fighting?  Or have a job somehow related to it?  The state agencies have a strong working relationship with NWS and NWS products are driven by conditions because that's what the state agencies want.  They will only issue if the state agencies also feel it necessary. 

 

An example that at least some people still have no idea how we operate and what we do. We most certainly collaborate with our fire weather partners at the state level before taking action on statements or headlines. They are out there in the field and we value their input. He is comparing this fire weather stuff with Sandy? Unreal!!

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still trying to figure out where this big heat came from, it wasn't on the table at all last week then the NAM hinted of it on the weekend which few would believe anyway

 

Has there ever been a swing from 20's low 30's temps to mid 80's for highs here in 72hrs?

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What, I'm warming up everyone now?  Elko hasn't been below freezing in 10 days, highly odd in and of itself (normal low on this 10th day is a wunderful 30)

 

Your miscalibrated thermometer is radiating extreme heat.

 

Up another degree on a south wind.  Evil.  Shoulda went with the AC rather than the windows tonight.  :violin:

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I've been in San Antonio, so I'll let Tombo's decision stand, but if I'd have seen Grothar's post first, I would've banned first and asked questions later. That's ridiculous.

 

Its the ritual of spring. Ironically this is the one program where we are in direct contact with state forestry personnel every day and what product is or is not issued is based on collaboration with them. 

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I've been in San Antonio, so I'll let Tombo's decision stand, but if I'd have seen Grothar's post first, I would've banned first and asked questions later. That's ridiculous.

I agree, but anyway, the way he posts usually, he'll get his 3 warning points in no time, lol.

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Hopefully it's not another season of "sloppy seconds" for the Tonyland region wrt lines/cells. We watched just about everything disorganize at the Delaware River last year. While I'm happy not to have to have dealt with property damage, lost power and all that, we still could use some action. Heck, we didn't even get any decent thunder last season, maybe a few exceptions...For now though, I'll try to draw excitement from the compelling discussion around drought and red flag criteria...

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well ne NJ/nyc on northeast has officially been screwed today. Cant say I'm surprised. I think this is the nail in the coffin for Philly tmrw, probably has no problem sweeping south through the city by daybreak, especially with any rain/t-storm action tonight enhancing the push from the cool side.

Uh, it's in the low 70s and sunny in midtown.  How is that screwed?

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Uh, it's in the low 70s and sunny in midtown.  How is that screwed?

 

Really? where are the low 70's in the city

 

REGIONAL WEATHER ROUNDUP

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NEW YORK NY

1200 PM EDT WED APR 10 2013

NOTE: "FAIR" INDICATES FEW OR NO CLOUDS BELOW 12,000 FEET WITH NO

SIGNIFICANT WEATHER AND/OR OBSTRUCTIONS TO VISIBILITY.

NYZ071-072-176-178-NJZ106-104-101700-

NEW YORK CITY METRO AREA

CITY           SKY/WX    TMP DP  RH WIND       PRES   REMARKS

CENTRAL PARK   CLOUDY    67  48  50 NE6       29.96S

LAGUARDIA APRT PTSUNNY   61  46  57 NE10      29.93F

KENNEDY INTL   MOSUNNY   64  47  53 S12       29.94S

NEWARK/LIBERTY PTSUNNY   71  49  45 E6        29.92S

TETERBORO      CLOUDY    69  49  48 NE3       29.92S

WHITE PLAINS   PTSUNNY   65  49  56 N8        29.94S

 

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So in early April 1991, if I showed you the AO and NAO numbers, you might have guessed it was a warm period (maybe not the extent of the warmth but guessed it was warm):

 

AO-->

1991  3 29  1.647
1991  3 30  2.733
1991  3 31  3.446
1991  4  1  3.828
1991  4  2  3.281
1991  4  3  3.325
1991  4  4  3.246
1991  4  5  2.673
1991  4  6  2.473
1991  4  7  2.170
1991  4  8  1.872
1991  4  9  1.571
1991  4 10  0.886
1991  4 11  0.389
1991  4 12  0.702
1991  4 13  0.814
1991  4 14  0.250

 

NAO-->

1991  3 29 -0.604
1991  3 30 -0.399
1991  3 31  0.382
1991  4  1  0.903
1991  4  2  1.088
1991  4  3  1.408
1991  4  4  1.362
1991  4  5  1.144
1991  4  6  1.047
1991  4  7  0.834
1991  4  8  0.674
1991  4  9  0.764
1991  4 10  0.601
1991  4 11  0.600
1991  4 12  0.540
1991  4 13  0.180
1991  4 14 -0.326
 

Between 4/7 and 4/9, PHL reached 85, 87 and 84.

 

This is also when the PNA reached a relative minimum:

1991  4  1  0.609
1991  4  2  0.833
1991  4  3  0.939
1991  4  4  0.825
1991  4  5  0.453
1991  4  6  0.324
1991  4  7  0.229
1991  4  8  0.041
1991  4  9 -0.194
1991  4 10 -0.140
1991  4 11  0.225
1991  4 12  0.293
1991  4 13  0.262
1991  4 14  0.487
 

While today has finally seen the first +AO reading since 2/5, the NAO remains negative and the PNA has actually come up to a relative max:

 

http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/precip/CWlink/pna/daily.index.ascii

 

Thought it was funny how we needed an epic block for March to be cool and then went right into near record/record setting warmth once that relaxed. Meanwhile, the teleconnections make sense for why 1991 saw a record warm shot. While I'm not a fan of raw numbers with teleconnections like this, I think it makes my bigger point (if there even is a point). :( 

 


 

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Really? where are the low 70's in the city

 

REGIONAL WEATHER ROUNDUP

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NEW YORK NY

1200 PM EDT WED APR 10 2013

NOTE: "FAIR" INDICATES FEW OR NO CLOUDS BELOW 12,000 FEET WITH NO

SIGNIFICANT WEATHER AND/OR OBSTRUCTIONS TO VISIBILITY.

NYZ071-072-176-178-NJZ106-104-101700-

NEW YORK CITY METRO AREA

CITY           SKY/WX    TMP DP  RH WIND       PRES   REMARKS

CENTRAL PARK   CLOUDY    67  48  50 NE6       29.96S

LAGUARDIA APRT PTSUNNY   61  46  57 NE10      29.93F

KENNEDY INTL   MOSUNNY   64  47  53 S12       29.94S

NEWARK/LIBERTY PTSUNNY   71  49  45 E6        29.92S

TETERBORO      CLOUDY    69  49  48 NE3       29.92S

WHITE PLAINS   PTSUNNY   65  49  56 N8        29.94S

 

All the PWSs in manhattan are now in the mid 70s and the park is at 72.  The actual city always runs a couple of degrees warmer than the park at least.

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Uh, it's in the low 70s and sunny in midtown.  How is that screwed?

 

well it was stuck in the low 60s in the city when i made the post..."screwed" was a poor choice of words for the city on west now as its around 70 (but it was all in reference to the fact it was supposed to hit 80 again in that area) ..

 

further northeast like where i am in sw CT, its been stuck in the 50s all day

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