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March Med/Long Range Disco


WinterWxLuvr

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OK, i'll just blindly go along with everyone else and be intimidated by all your comments

you people must be in la-la land

every storm this year modeled to have warm bl temps have had warm bl temps

if you expect temps to magically cool as we get closer with all other things remaining the same, you're nuts

per accuwx maps, BWI gets around .28-.34" qpf over the 6 hour periods...average that out over 6 hours and you're at .05-.06"

that will NOT do it for us

I am absolutely right when I say w/o a bomb to cool the atmosphere, it's a cold rain or ra/sn mix

now be sure to take your cheap shots and feel big   :rolleyes:

OK a few things....

you are right about the seasonal trend thing, BUT none of those worked out with the thermal profile because none worked out with the track and qpf.  We have not had a string of lows sitting just to our southeast dumping a ccb over our heads but it was rain.  All these events were crap in some way or another.  This is a vastly different situation.  Does not mean we wont get screwed but probably not in the same way.

Second..your analysis of the precip and temps on the euro, verbatim at 5 days out?  besides euro usually does run a bit warm, its not showing 45 and rain, its just a few degrees too warm, that is something that can correct easily this far out, and as for rates this is the euro not the goofus and NAM, its not going to show those stupid precip rates that never actually verify.  If anything the euro sometimes under does max precip in the ccb.  Finally, you are right there would be precip type issues during lull periods, but as heavier bands came through it would probably be snow.  Its March, this isnt going to be a "clean" snowstorm, its going to be messy, but why are you being such a downer?  I dont think anyone on here thinks this is a lock or even likely at this point but its all we have left so why not follow it and hope?  You are pointing out very good legitimate problems why this might not work out, but honestly, our bigger problem is even getting the storm to track like the ggem/euro show...I will take my chances if we can get that.  My bigger worry is a late phase like the GFS. 

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I'm making  Larry Cosgrove's forecast the only forecast and weather guidance available to you from here on out.

I love that guy.

 

Seriously.. if he thinks the storm sucks we're probably getting crushed.

 

We only do weird extreme events of late.

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i dont know man. It has to snow again in DC right? Were not going to miss every event for the rest of our lives

 

1st of all you have 10" this winter..I have 2"

 

2nd - It does not have to snow here again...we could be the new RIC/Asheville/Portland OR where we get virtual shutouts unless we have a nino or a neutral after nino....Unlikely we get shut out in a Nino unless it is 97-98 type strength

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To be honest, I'm happy to see things change on the Euro, etc...but you can't really blame Deb...I mean Mitch.  We've been teased and burned all year.   5 days this winter is like 100 days.

I don't blame anyone for being pessimistic or skeptical, but on the other hand, for the last 2 years we have played this "game" of...dont worry if the models show the storm (north, south, east, west) at 5 days...they will trend, and its not happening.  I have thought a few times over that period how much better the models are now once they get a handle on the pattern and lock in.  They do not shift as often as they used too.  I am not saying they don't or won't here, but that expecting them to be wrong once they lock into a general idea, is not that safe a bet anymore.  We have lost that bet over and over, lets try out hand once where the models do have us in the general target area 5 days out and hope for the best. 

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Out of curiosity, where can I find this?

I may be a Deb but really the Euro control talk is pointless. It's like an ensemble member with less skill than the op.

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I may be a Deb but really the Euro control talk is pointless. It's like an ensemble member with less skill than the op.

I actually think the op run looks better then the control run, not sure what Ji was looking at.  The control also has the big amped up storm I expect around mid month, but its an apps runner.  That is a threat, I just think there will be a major amplification of the trough before the whole pattern breaks down with a bombing low, no idea where it will actually track as the blocking will be breaking down by then, it could cut. 

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OK a few things....

you are right about the seasonal trend thing, BUT none of those worked out with the thermal profile because none worked out with the track and qpf.  We have not had a string of lows sitting just to our southeast dumping a ccb over our heads but it was rain.  All these events were crap in some way or another.  This is a vastly different situation.  Does not mean we wont get screwed but probably not in the same way.

Second..your analysis of the precip and temps on the euro, verbatim at 5 days out?  besides euro usually does run a bit warm, its not showing 45 and rain, its just a few degrees too warm, that is something that can correct easily this far out, and as for rates this is the euro not the goofus and NAM, its not going to show those stupid precip rates that never actually verify.  If anything the euro sometimes under does max precip in the ccb.  Finally, you are right there would be precip type issues during lull periods, but as heavier bands came through it would probably be snow.  Its March, this isnt going to be a "clean" snowstorm, its going to be messy, but why are you being such a downer?  I dont think anyone on here thinks this is a lock or even likely at this point but its all we have left so why not follow it and hope?  You are pointing out very good legitimate problems why this might not work out, but honestly, our bigger problem is even getting the storm to track like the ggem/euro show...I will take my chances if we can get that.  My bigger worry is a late phase like the GFS. 

 

 

Yes...ideally and this is obvious wishcasting, in order to get a serious event, we want the ULL to take SE track and then get pulled north into the eastern TN valley...and then start drifting E/NE...I'm not sure this is an option though

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