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March Med/Long Range Disco


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still no major torch signals sadly. euro ens trends toward 'milder' as you head toward 360 maybe but looks like any mild days are just a sprinkling thru then and mild is like a little above avg. good news is our avg is much too warm for a snowstorm. ;)

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why you ask?

why not; I hate summer heat and the potential for damage and flooding in our area from hurricanes/tropical systems isn't what I consider fun

anyway, this winter has got to be better than last year and has a few things lining up in our favor, or so it seems at this early stage

 

 

Won't take much to be better right? We'll be ALL over that this fall/winter...."yea, even though the pattern sucks it's still better than last year.......3" of slop followed by rain seems like a blizzard compared to last year....the 240 hour gfs is showing a storm that would be 10x my seasonal total last year". Jokes aside, early indications are pointing a winter that won't suck as bad as last year..,...unless we end up with a neutral ENSO winter.......that would be almost the kiss of death.....

 

 

 

this is looking pretty good...was talking to Will about it as well.....I am not that jazzed about having a great winter...fortunately there is not much skill at this point...weak nino after extended nina...strong -PDO regime......2006-07 is probably our best analog right now...68-69 and 51-52 aren't bad...2 opposite examples of blocking versus not much blocking.......If I had to forecast right now I'd probably go for a +1 to +2 winter with 10" at DCA...hope I am wrong...of course that would be better than last winter...goes without saying...we should get a period of blocking...likely later in the season...hopefully we can match that up with good source regions for cold and a half decent storm track.....even in October/November I think my skill is only somewhat above flipping a coin....but it is above....but there is a lot of room for me to bust badly....

 

 

I don't think zwts is being pessimistic at all. He's accurately reporting a likely outcome based on the early signals. There's plenty up in the air this winter and I don't think anybody is calling for a bustola.

We'll get some cold and snow. 100% sure it will be better than last year...

 

 

I think saying a "100%"*** chance of it being better than last winter is a pretty good bet. As I've said before, it would be hard to undercut how awful it was both in terms of warmth and lack of snow. We had so much going against anything last year, almost literally nothing to even consider following. And I thought it would be tough to outdo 2001-02!!

2010-11 was a let down of course after the blockbuster winter the year before, but it wasn't terrible. We had chances, there was cold (including a cold December), and storms to follow. In fact, I'd argue if we had shared in on the Boxing Day storm in December, most here would have considered it a not half-bad winter...in combination with the convective snow burst in late January. Kind of like 2006-07. That year was back-loaded from late January through March, including the extremely cold February. If we had gotten the Valentine's Day storm, again, probably most people would consider it a successful winter and "up there" on the list of good ones.

***at least, I'd like to think at least pretty darned close to 100%! laugh.png

 

 

There's a 100's of similar posts from all of us during this past summer / fall. Smell what I'm steppin in?

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How is it looking for December 5th?

In all seriousness, I could have sworn in the anomalous 2002 - 2003 winter we had April snow.. anyone have anything on it? I remember the results were a lot like yesterday where it snowed it was a slushy mess...

we had a late march snow....i think March 28 or 29. heavy snow fell and it stuck but as soon as it lightened up....everything melted immediately.

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There's a 100's of similar posts from all of us during this past summer / fall. Smell what I'm steppin in?

It WAS better for everyone but those immediately within DC.  Still sucked ballz of course.  Ended up being neutral ENSO, and cold neutral at that.  I think zwtys had a pretty good seasonal forecast with the warm start and cold end with best snow chance(s) at the end.  The snow didn't work out, but his temp call was pretty good.  DT and JB both busted horribly nailed the pattern just missed the details ;) .  

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It WAS better for everyone but those immediately within DC.  Still sucked ballz of course.  Ended up being neutral ENSO, and cold neutral at that.  I think zwtys had a pretty good seasonal forecast with the warm start and cold end with best snow chance(s) at the end.  The snow didn't work out, but his temp call was pretty good.  DT and JB both busted horribly nailed the pattern just missed the details ;) .  

 

Better yes. Even close to expectations better? Nah. It sucked almost as bad for everyone except for far nw. But we quantify success based on the cities (as we should).

 

Not one single widespread 2-4? Really? That fact in itself = 11/12 type fail.

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How is it looking for December 5th?

In all seriousness, I could have sworn in the anomalous 2002 - 2003 winter we had April snow.. anyone have anything on it? I remember the results were a lot like yesterday where it snowed it was a slushy mess...

Somehow BWI recorded over 2 inches. I don't know how because we barely got 2 in Reisterstown. I was up in Westminster that day and they got a solid 3-4. I think it was the 30th or 31st of March

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There's a 100's of similar posts from all of us during this past summer / fall. Smell what I'm steppin in?

In hindsight, that's kind of a funny compilation of similar posts, there, and I do remember some of them (including my own, argh!!).  But I see what you're saying.  Hope you washed your shoes after steppin' in it! ; )

 

This winter sucked, it was highly disappointing (especially with yesterday's storm), but it was better than last year.  We got some pretty good cold from late January through much of February, some good blocking at times, and had some realistic things to follow.  That's something we did not have last winter.  Unfortunately, we only managed some clipper dustings in most areas.  I thought overall we'd do a fair bit better than last year in terms of snow (maybe some areas did, but not region-wide as a whole).  Nothing earth-shattering, but I admittedly thought a good moderate event or two, and certainly breaking the <2" drought.

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Euro shows a relative stoked n stream vort that passes right underneath us @ 198-210. Temps following area REALLY cold for March. Any takers? I'll see ya next thurs. 

euro also has a coastal storm thats a southern slider that we should pay attention too at day 7 after the lakes cutter?

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we could use a summer that isn't record breaking heat.  i can't imagine that helped us this winter.

 

I agree, but, when the summer heat is particular irritating, I just remind myself of the summer of 95.  It was viciously hot for an extended period (I am pretty sure that the only day in my memory with a low temperature above 80 F at PHL happened that summer along with a bunch of days with highs of 100+ F) and, in mid-Fall, it was like somebody flipped the cold switch.  Up this way, we got our first measurable snow in November and, from then on, every storm, whether conditions were marginal or not, delivered something including, of course, the early January storm.  This continued until April 9, 1996 ( when 2.4" fell at PHL)!   

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18z gfs showed it last night too. I'm recovered. Let's do it. 

 

 

euro also has a coastal storm thats a southern slider that we should pay attention too at day 7 after the lakes cutter?

 

 

Euro shows a relative stoked n stream vort that passes right underneath us @ 198-210. Temps following area REALLY cold for March. Any takers? I'll see ya next thurs. 

 

 

I don't even....

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GGEM also shows southern slider

Central South Carolina Always gets my attention.  It can snow even into April in DC under ideal conditions and for DC the conditions have to be mostly ideal All the time. What is different than DJF is the day before and the day after are usually near 50.

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Central South Carolina Always gets my attention.  It can snow even into April in DC under ideal conditions and for DC the conditions have to be mostly ideal All the time. What is different than DJF is the day before and the day after are usually near 50.

 

no high.. looks torchy. not sure why you'd be interested in this one if you weren't with the last.

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